As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.
The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California’s university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.
In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.
“Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump,” Newsom said.
I’ve been talking to alot of people about something like this. If CA didn’t pay federal tax, and all of it went to state, CA would make more money. Don’t want to incite insurrection…but I think we could do alright by ourselves if push came to shove.
As someone living in California, I could certainly use some more money… Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary. It’s very hard to make it here, but ultimately worth it. For me anyhow.
Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary
Look up “promissory estoppel.”
Holy shit this is immensely helpful for me right now, thank you so much. I actually have a meeting with the CEO this Friday about this while thing. I will be bringing this up. Thank you again, so much.
You may want to have a quick consult phone call with a labor lawyer before then. The company has an HR and legal team they’ve already consulted.
To add to that, just because they have legal council involved doesn’t mean that they’re not in the wrong and know it. You may just need to say the magic words to make them back down and a labor lawyer who understands your case will know what those words are.
You obviously may keep working there if it gets resolved to your satisfaction, so the support of a lawyer will help you play it cool while you negotiate. It’s easier to just be pissed if you know you’re being wronged but don’t have the language to clearly articulate how.
Yeah, but just wait for when King Trump makes California pay tariffs to trade with the remaining states! He’ll bleed CA dry!
CA doesn’t HAVE to export goods to anyone. you can deny sale to anyone.
The country will starve in a famine between that and climate change/mass extinction
I feel like the lady in Melancholia
Yeah he’d try, Smartiest Economier he is. interstate trade is generally critical, but a good chunk of agriculture in the U.S.A. is in CA (Powerd by water from the hoover, yes) throw in Silicon valley, Hollywood, and Napa, CA putting tarrifs on the U.S.A. would hurt too, maybe more.
Then CA negotiates trade deals with Asia and quits doing business with US altogether.
Don’t forget Canada. It would suck having to ship everything by boat to BC, but at least there wouldn’t be tarrifs anymore
The guys that are currently restoring confederate monuments would perform a takeover of the state by the federal government. US states no longer share core values, sometimes very hypocritically so.
stopping paying taxes is one of the essential elements of a “soft secession”, one where the state disintegrates from the federation, but not “all at once”, but “step by step”.
Maybe it was Trump’s plan after all to cause a number of states to secede? After all, GOP has talked about Texas’ secession for a while, iirc?
Project 2025 shows that the Republicans have at least one person with the ability to plan long term strategy.
His plan to lose his most valuable states? Probably not. He’s just an idiot out of control.
Although, from a Russian perspective, that would be an ideal outcome. I’d put nothing past these traitorous criminals.
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It’s grandstanding…but it pisses off the Orange Turdburgler so I can’t complain too much.
In just two days I got my answer.
Hasn’t actually happened yet though.
well it IS taco Tuesday
Trumptard is really really really really trying to start a civil war. Amazing :/
MOTHERFUCKING DO IT
Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.
Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.
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Just join Canada. If you are willing to consider you aren’t the center of the world, you are welcome.
No they’re too big, instantly doubling the population wouldn’t go well. At most a Euro style partnership if a few more western states broke off.
West coast alliance :)
Oh sick can we get the yaogui on the flag too?
They will just flatten it with carpet bombs.
California is unlikely to give up their nukes.
Educate me for a moment, are Nukes on a seperate grid by state?
They can all work off the grid, in case we get hit first.
I do not mean power plants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Laboratory?wprov=sfla1
I didn’t either. I meant are they seperate state by state like that where a state could threaten to use or withhold nukes as you were implying?
They are controlled normally by the Department of Energy.
But sesession would be a weird event, and many things would change. Physical location is not one of them. And the physical location of the place where the most advanced nuclear weapons are designed and built is in California.
Would the physicists and engineers at Lawrence Livermore just pack up and leave? Or would they continue rolling out B.83s or something in between.
Even more weird possibilities: would the DoE forcibly relocate the physicists and engineers who do this work? Or would California step in and protect them? In any case I think the number of weapons that wind up under the control of the State of California would not be zero. The same goes for bombers, and missile systems, of which California has the most flexible examples.
Sure, the production missile fleet is in Montana and N. Dakota, but those things are there to draw fire, not necessarily to be used. But Vandenberg and Edwards are in California. What happens to those?
CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.
If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don’t go to that fascist bullshit
🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected
I honestly don’t know how this is even possible. Doesn’t the withholding go directly to the IRS? The issue of federal income tax is between the federal government and the taxpayer.
Yes. California would need to split off its banking system.
I’m of the opinion that California, Oregon, and Washington should succeed and join Canada. Hell, New York and Massachusetts too if I’m indulging in this fantasy scenario.
All of new england pls
California should just leave the US and form its own country.
Ain’t happening anyway
Do it! Sink this economy! TACO!
Fucking do it. I’ll cum buckets.
It’ll be like a firehose connected to a main
I don’t think I want a bucket coming out if that particular hole.
Prude.
Sounds painful.
Be sure to hydrate if you do.
I don’t think there’s really a way to do this, since federal taxes are paid directly to the fed without state involvement. This is just to poke the bear, which I am all for.
Good. Keep poking until he has a heart attack. If he recovers, rinse and repeat until we get it right.
I’m all for it too, but keep in mind that successors to dictators are never better; only worse. It only ever gets worse.
~Hide your kids. Hide your couch!~
Yeah but there seems to be something about this fucking guy. I don’t think his successor will have the same draw.
This dictator is the leader of the GOP, a cult of personality. That’s not easily replaced
This dictator is merely a puppet; plain and simple. The real Palpatine is someone else. Maybe it’s Putin, or maybe it’s Thiel. We haven’t gotten to that episode yet.
But this puppet is who the cultists at the bottom support. They won’t get their support for anyone else so easily, if they even need them at that point.
I would argue that now that the GOP has all three branches of government, Darth Trump is expendable.
Yeah, given his history and it’s pretty fair to assume Trump doesn’t know that
I thought you were going to talk about the physical improbability of cumming buckets.
The hypothetical way to do it is severely penalize companies within California that pay federal tax. Make it so financially burdonsome they have to relocate or stop paying federal tax of their own accord. This is just what’s been suggested before when this has come up.
I’ve been thinking about this, and I’m afraid I agree. I’m not sure how you could enforce this. Paying federal tax seems like a personal choice and the consequences (tax evasion charges, unless trump manages to get it treated as a terrorist act) would be felt by individuals. I’d be interested to see if the state was actually offering to shield CA citizens from being arrested by federal agents or subpoenaed by federal courts.
Also, for the most part the Fed already has our money, right? The majority of that federal tax is withheld from paychecks and goes directly to the Fed…
You can withhold paying your federal taxes from your paycheck. Most people don’t because they don’t want to get stuck with a big tax bill in April with no way to pay it if they spent that money or lost it on a bad investment. if enough people all did that at once, regardless of state, it could put a big financial burden on Trump. The government heavily relies on this steady source of income, and unless you make a lot of money, you are probably getting a federal return every year, which means you gave the U.S. Government an interest free loan of sorts.
Companies, no. But the state employs a lot of people.
Still, the feds will come after the individuals, not the state.
And county, and cities
