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The Trump administration is preparing to cancel a large swath of federal funding for California, an effort that could begin as soon as Friday, according to multiple sources.
Agencies are being told to start identifying grants the administration can withhold from California. Sources said the administration is specifically considering a full termination of federal grant funding for the University of California and California State University systems.
Singling out one state for massive cuts would be an unusual move, but Donald Trump has long made Democratic-led California a target.
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The ICE raids are meant to cause the response we are seeing, and eventually an even more powerful response. The White House has already been throwing around the word insurrection, which implies the insurrection act. If the natural escalation that they expect takes place, it could create the conditions where the insurrection act can be invoked. Since the Federal level is under control of the Trump Administration, that leaves the National Guard, state police, county sheriffs, and local police departments. The only one of these capable of standing up to the Feds would be the National Guard. If things turn ugly over the next few weeks during continued raids in places like L.A., it could force the Governor to deploy the national guard given the numbers of people involved. Some of these communities are well armed and they are already fighting back. If the goal is to cause the conditions to invoke the insurrection act, it would take away the ablity of the California Governor to direct his national guard. They can be forced to follow the orders of the President, which is one of the reasons for using the Insurrection Act in the first place.
In a place like L.A., this leaves just the LAPD and Sherrifs department and they do not have the power to stop both the Feds and a national guard under White House control. L.A. seems to be heavily targeted by the Trump administration in many different ways. They are looking at bribery and corruption in many areas like LA Homeless Agency. The ICE raids targeted the Fashion District are meant as an economic attack, as many of those people worked in shops and factories. Other ICE raids targeted companies involved in agriculture. The Trump admin is also looking at other Federal funding to take away from California.
All of this combined could mean that the state Government, state and local police cannot protect these communities from what is being sent after them, partially as an overall form of economic warfare against California generally. You have the wildfire funds, the tariffs attacking the shipping areas of coastal California, and it’s obvious that it is a well planned operation. Behind this too is a hostile DOJ and FBI, not to mention DHS, ICE, and everyone else. They are being hunted.
The State Government can’t protect anyone either, they have been totally outmanuvered at every stage, because they are just coasting until 2026. The one advantage people have is their numbers. Peaceful protest is the way forward, it just takes a lot more people knowing about the raids and being present to protest them. If the Trump admin wants a Kent state or Tiananmen Square type situation on their hands, that will be on them…
better to just balkanize the blue states, and let the red states without welfare for a change.
He’s just jealous because California has the best TACOs.
If the Federal Government boycotts California, then California should close every Federal agency, prohibit all Federal employees from working, and confiscate all Federal property, then make it illegal to pay Federal income taxes in California. Instead, Federal income taxes will be collected by the state, and used to provide free health care and college for all California citizens.
They should also form a state pact with Oregon and Washington, then form an alliance with Canada and Mexico. That would surround about 3/4 of the USA
That would allow them to cut off MAGA access to the west coast ports, and charge exorbitant taxes and fees to get shipments from Asia, or be forced to ship them through the Panama Canal to the East Coast.
The war that would result would be like nothing any of us have ever experienced, except for our veterans, perhaps, though they would never have had to fight their own people before. The only people who would truly know ahead of time what to expect would be those who came to this country from war-torn regions that had experienced civil war.
California is powerful economically, but do they have the military might to withstand the hell that the US Army can unleash? If other states join them, it’ll be utter chaos, and who knows how it ends, but that might turn the tide for the rebels as the military would likely fracture as many might follow their states to the exit.
Aside from utter dissolution of the Union, the only way I can see California standing up to the USA would be to have a nuclear deterrent available immediately upon independence, which would likely mean seizing as many federal nuclear weapons as they could. Whether the California National Guard would be up to that is beyond my ken.
God help us all if Trump continues on this path.
california doesnt even need federal funding. california funds everyone else.
We also feed everyone else.
All blue states feed the poorly uneducated.
TACO.
How about California cancelling paying federal taxes in turn? This would probably lead to a big loss for the federal budget, wouldn’t it?
The federal government has irrevocably been compromised, US states need to be able to leave it. Preferably like the UK left the EU, without a civil war. It’s only going to get worse, and reform is no longer possible, as too many branches have been compromised and midterms are likely to be compromised by Agent Kraskov and friends. As much as the Trump-Musk sideshow feud keeps going, it’s not doing much and is not likely to do much to stop Trump.
This is a test of the Union that formed after the Civil War. We should have scrubbed the Electoral College then and we should have forced the redistribution of land to the slaves. With federal forces providing local police protection. So the palm colored people couldn’t hurt them.
Unfortunately, Lincoln was murdered soon after the South surrendered, and Andrew Johnson, a drunken Confederate sympathizer took over as president, and led the post-war Reconstruction.
This is known. It’s just sad.
the only people who want California to secede are tech freaks that want to establish a monarchy and see this as an opportunity to do that
I’m just waiting for The Big One™ I was always told would make us break off from the rest of the country to become our own island.
Idk, im a lefty who would love to see Cascadia
If you build the dome in silicone valley, John Galt will appear beneath it and bless the Mars sperm ark.
Who is John Galt?
This guy sheds a tear but to know.
California should cancel state funding for the federal government.
I hope this convinces Californians to sign the CalExit petition, so that California can start researching the option to secede. The way things are looking, the dissolution of the union seems likely. It would be better if California and the other blue states got prepared for that.
Have a think about how Brexit went and get back to me.
Have a think how brake up of Yugoslavia went for Slovenia (the richest YU republic).
That’s ok, we can broker trade deals with Appalachistan for cheap third world labor. They get the hellhole they seem to want and we have a nearby banana republic to exploit. Win-win
Considering that Trump has killed all sorts of diplomatic relationships, I think it would be better for California and the other blue states to form their own arrangements with other powers, alongside internal ones.
Trump killed NOAA. The weather service that helped all of the states to prepare their crops and disaster management, is now torn to pieces. Our schools are being barred from having students from abroad, which weakens America’s abilities to have the best and brightest to join our nation. Tariffs are destroying our supply chains. The courts have become legitimized, used to entrap people who dared to believe in the justice of law. The wall of flesh in Panama is failing.
…I had plenty of think, thank you very much.
Our enemies have burrowed inside our flesh. If we don’t remove them, we are truly screwed.
To be fair I did say Trump was Americas brexit. So I take it back, you’re right. This is scary times for the USA, and the rest of the world will suffer too.
Honestly, it is a situation that has no clear answer. It is very frustrating!
It has no near term answer. Will there be free elections? Will the constitution be restored? Will law and order mean something again? Will sanity be restored?
If there’s any hope left for my fellow Americans, it’s just another year and a half before the nazis and sycophants get voted out. Then two years of non-functioning infighting …. I can dream that sanity happens. Eventually everyone of these thugs acting above the law should be brought to justice. Every one of those cops and ice agents: you know what constitutional rights are, including habeas corpus; you are responsible for obeying illegal orders
How are the situations similar? Because of the name?
Leaving your nearest trading partner doesn’t seem like a good thing.
California’s nearest trading partner is China.
But is that organised through a USA trade deal or not?
With the current Trump tariffs the existing US trade deal is a dysfunction at best.
Despite it. Our governor actually shows up to trade negotiations and sticks to the agreed terms.
More like Indyref.
Not sure what that is? Scotland leaving the union?
Thanks. Just wasn’t sure.
It makes me laugh that the same Brexit morons are against that.
Indyref was broadly supported by the left but brexit was a right wing project. And indyref was pro-EU, which was reflected a few years later when the same voters who wanted to leave UK voted remain in EU.
The concept of leaving a union of nations has no inherent other political implications.
if state funding is being canceled, that state should leave the union. why be apart of the united states government if trump is dismantling and destroying the united states government.
The American thing to do is fight for America.
The people who want California to just leave are the ones who want to dismantle the country.
I don’t want what’s best for America. I want what’s best for California. It’s in a bad relationship and is always the provider and the victim.
Without liberty and justice for all, there can BE no one nation indivisible.
I think it maybe time to change the dynamic of the USA. Maybe instead of 2 levels, maybe three. Federal, regional, and state. Where the federal hands over some powers to the regional government. I am not sure how that could happen, but it might be a good direction.
I personally think that there should be three presidents, each overseeing a major chunk of America - West, Center, and East. This would help divide up the power of the executive branch, as the Judicial and Congressional branches would remain a global aspect of the nation. Unitary executive theory would be dead, since there can be no unitary, IMO.
Plus, we can have three separate elections - someone who ran to be elected in Centre America can’t run for the other two regions. This would allow us to have a lot more candidates, all of them quite focused on what they offer the region they decided to run for. Right now, a president has to appeal to ALL of America, which means not many people will actually be happy.
Correct. But what you may have implied and got wrong is that this is somehow a bad idea. America is long overdue for a federal collapse. This cultural infighting is unsustainable.
As a new Yorker I am sick of having my tax dollars go to subsidize hicks in the deep south and Midwest that ultimately vote against my rights. I am more than happy to see the bridges that unite us burn because the concept of “unity” in a melting pot is a ticking time bomb, as it always has been.
I’m Californian. The federal government, for my entire life, has just take and taken and taken from me. I have received nothing in return. I don’t need your shitty union of thugs and mouth breathers, and I don’t need your bullshit military colonizing waste of time and money.
Well you probably don’t realize the things the federal government does give cali. Interstate highways are one. Coast guard. Bridges. And clearly funding to the universities. Now the balance is lopsided, in that cali gives more back. But that doesn’t mean cali would have given you those same things.
That said… determining if CA would be better with our without the feds is a complicated question. For one, they would probably need to fund thier own military, as they would be a ripe target given thier economic prosperity.We pay more into those federal programs than they spend back on us. If we just kept the taxes locally, while maintaining funding for all those programs, we would come out ahead by a factor of nearly 2:1.
As for military spending, there is a lot of savings to be had by not fighting endless bullshit Christian jihads.
So you missed my point. Many of those things that the feds pay for just wouldn’t happen if the state was paying. Politics is tricky like that.
It’s not a matter of the state taking over things, the federal government is (hypothetically) stopping those funds regardless of what they do, so why wouldn’t they fund it themselves because all those things you mentioned still need to happen.
The people who want California to just leave are the ones who want to dismantle the country.
This Canadian is fine with it at this point. Fuck the USA. We’ve been your friend forever and you shit on us.
Burn baby burn.
I wouldn’t really want to be sharing the largest land border in the world with the size of tempest brewing up in the US right now, should it ever boil over. Seems like that might be a bit of a nightmare to keep contained.
The strategy isn’t to keep it contained.
Since Confederate States of America have gained a negative connotation and to avoid confusion, you could proclaim Libertarian States of America, I know most people here are not libertarian, but still fucking closer to that than typical trumpists, and they are going to steal the word otherwise. Said as a libertarian and a citizen of Russia, which means I’ll enjoy watching the events from afar quite a lot, might even remember to make popcorn.
Since Confederate States of America have gained a negative connotation
No they did that to themselves by caring only about preserving slavery
anti-science funding. the threat to fascists states are usually intellectual and science so they are often the first to be persecuted before minorities are. most of the people in the industries are smart enough to leave the country before sht hits the fan.
Another day another senile ramble
