Child abuse is a serious issue and you are right to be upset about how the people, who were supposed to stand up for you, completely betrayed you. I understand that to you, this is the most important injustice that has ever occurred. (For lack of a better phrasing) You’ve earned that perspective, and I will not tell you it’s wrong.
The solution is advocating for victims of abuse, not reminding people that sometimes bad things happen to men.
not reminding people that sometimes bad things happen to men.
That’s not even what I’m trying to do, I’m just trying to make the point that it’s NOT THAT SIMPLE , it wasn’t simple for women, so why the fuck do people assume it’s simple for men. It’s not, it never will be, not for anyone who’s not in a position of power or wealth. Ready or not, it doesn’t matter. It took decades for women to build a movement capable of changing the system for them, it’s no different for men, men’s rights advocates have been fighting for men’s mental health for a very long time already and we still see no chance in the system.
You’ll hear a lot about “men made the system for men”, and that’s objectively and observably false, the Rich made the system for the Rich. I’d like to suggest once again, if you haven’t already Pt.1 & Pt.2.
I don’t think anyone is claiming that anything is simple.
These are global issues, and I think that by putting the focus on how they affect men, it really feels like YOU are simplifying it and discounting what non-men have gone through.
That may not be your intent, but that’s how it sounds and why you are getting push back.
Everybody knows that everybody has problems.
I understand what you are saying and why. I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m explaining why you aren’t getting support from others.
May I remind you, I’m not the one who brought up men’s issues in the first place.
If Apytele left out :
Men are welcome to do the same whenever they’re ready, but for now a lot of men are just coping by crab bucketing this shit and bringing women back down.
We wouldn’t be having this conversation at all.
I have no issue with the rest of the comment.
That particular part is clearly not in support of men, it’s not positive at all, putting the blame square on men’s shoulders and oversimplifying the problem. If she wanted to promote Women’s rights, that fine. If she intended to encourage men to join and fight for themselves this is not the way. That particular part is clearly made to create division, not unity.
I understand what you are saying and why. I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m explaining why you aren’t getting support from others.
I don’t care if I have support from others or not. I’m already used to never having my voice heard or being rejected, it makes no difference.
Dawg you need to go talk to somebody cuz you’re obviously traumatized from when you were 6 and you need some actual professional help from somebody who knows what the fuck they’re doing and I don’t mean that in a mean way.
I don’t care if I have support from others or not. I’m already used to never
having my voice heard or being rejected, it makes no difference.
I see no problems with this part of the previous comment.
It can be fine to live like a hermit or a fool on the hill. The Buddha gave up everything and didn’t care what others said.
Well yes. Unfortunately, the mens mental health industry is woefully underdeveloped and often not taken seriously. I’d go therapy if there was an option for me to do so, unfortunately there isn’t any in my region, non trained to deal with my personal circumstance at least. For a time I was going to therapy by my own regard but then the therapist who I was seeing passed suddenly in a car accident and there’s no one capable of replacing them.
I don’t care if I have support from others or not. I’m already used to never having my voice heard or being rejected, it makes no difference.
I don’t think that the intention here has been rejecting or silencing you. There has been miscommunication and misperception, which is unfortunate but, it happens. If you step back for a moment, I think that you’ll find that there are a lot of people about, especially on Lemmy, that would happily give you support, sympathy, and attempt understanding. You don’t have to go it alone. A lot of us here actually want the same things and we’re stronger together.
I truly am sorry that happened to you.
Child abuse is a serious issue and you are right to be upset about how the people, who were supposed to stand up for you, completely betrayed you. I understand that to you, this is the most important injustice that has ever occurred. (For lack of a better phrasing) You’ve earned that perspective, and I will not tell you it’s wrong.
The solution is advocating for victims of abuse, not reminding people that sometimes bad things happen to men.
That’s not even what I’m trying to do, I’m just trying to make the point that it’s NOT THAT SIMPLE , it wasn’t simple for women, so why the fuck do people assume it’s simple for men. It’s not, it never will be, not for anyone who’s not in a position of power or wealth. Ready or not, it doesn’t matter. It took decades for women to build a movement capable of changing the system for them, it’s no different for men, men’s rights advocates have been fighting for men’s mental health for a very long time already and we still see no chance in the system.
You’ll hear a lot about “men made the system for men”, and that’s objectively and observably false, the Rich made the system for the Rich. I’d like to suggest once again, if you haven’t already Pt.1 & Pt.2.
I don’t think anyone is claiming that anything is simple.
These are global issues, and I think that by putting the focus on how they affect men, it really feels like YOU are simplifying it and discounting what non-men have gone through.
That may not be your intent, but that’s how it sounds and why you are getting push back.
Everybody knows that everybody has problems.
I understand what you are saying and why. I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m explaining why you aren’t getting support from others.
May I remind you, I’m not the one who brought up men’s issues in the first place. If Apytele left out :
We wouldn’t be having this conversation at all.
I have no issue with the rest of the comment. That particular part is clearly not in support of men, it’s not positive at all, putting the blame square on men’s shoulders and oversimplifying the problem. If she wanted to promote Women’s rights, that fine. If she intended to encourage men to join and fight for themselves this is not the way. That particular part is clearly made to create division, not unity.
I don’t care if I have support from others or not. I’m already used to never having my voice heard or being rejected, it makes no difference.
Dawg you need to go talk to somebody cuz you’re obviously traumatized from when you were 6 and you need some actual professional help from somebody who knows what the fuck they’re doing and I don’t mean that in a mean way.
This sounds over the top to me.
I see no problems with this part of the previous comment. It can be fine to live like a hermit or a fool on the hill. The Buddha gave up everything and didn’t care what others said.
Well yes. Unfortunately, the mens mental health industry is woefully underdeveloped and often not taken seriously. I’d go therapy if there was an option for me to do so, unfortunately there isn’t any in my region, non trained to deal with my personal circumstance at least. For a time I was going to therapy by my own regard but then the therapist who I was seeing passed suddenly in a car accident and there’s no one capable of replacing them.
There are online therapists now
Then, I guess you don’t need anything from me.
I really do hope you find solace. Best wishes.
Thank you for at least engaging. OP didn’t even attempt that.
I don’t think that the intention here has been rejecting or silencing you. There has been miscommunication and misperception, which is unfortunate but, it happens. If you step back for a moment, I think that you’ll find that there are a lot of people about, especially on Lemmy, that would happily give you support, sympathy, and attempt understanding. You don’t have to go it alone. A lot of us here actually want the same things and we’re stronger together.
I appreciate you.