I’m what’s known as a chronic hopper. I’m always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I’m here to ask you about browsers specifically. I’m fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.
Don’t feel the need to read the list. I’ll be more than happy to just hear your answers!
- Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn’t hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I’ve used it so much that I needed a change.
- Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like… once a decade…
- Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that’s pretty much all it has. A browser that’s literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
- Brave: There’s been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn’t very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn’t need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
- Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I’ve seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I’d BSOD. This was a combination of the browser’s stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
- Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There’s a few main points as to why I don’t use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can’t seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
- Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I’ve never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven’t really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there’s not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there’s something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I’m just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they’ve become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I’ve also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn’t really for me. I don’t want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.
So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I’ve tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I’m amazed at what they’ve done so far and very excited for it’s release. For now I’ve returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I’m very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you’ve used for a long time or if there’s something that you can’t do without.
Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn’t want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I’ve seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I’m very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.
Edit: I feel like I’m answering very quickly, but want you to know that I’m not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I’m set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can’t answer everyone, so I’m sorry if I missed your reply!
Vivaldi as my main browser and Librewolf as my second. I love the tab management and workspaces on Vivaldi, there’s nothing else like it that I’ve found. I use librewolf for all my docker local host needs. I actually really quite like it and would probably switch over but the workspace/tab thing keeps me on Vivaldi.
The closest thing I’ve found to Vivaldi tab management without installing a bunch of custom CSS and extensions is Zen Browser. Zen would be my favorite browser if it was a little lighter, but it’s worth checking out if you like Vivaldi, imo.
I tried Zen and while it was really nice looking it didn’t quite jive with me. One of my students suggested Floorp today, might mess around with it this weekend.
Firefox. It was the default in Linux Mint when I first started using a computer, and I am used to it. (Yep, I started with Linux.)
On my phone, shamefully Opera. It’s the best for desktop web experience. I don’t like mobile websites.
I had a very brief stint with base Opera on mobile, too, but it was so brief that I didn’t really dig into it. When I used it, it did have some QoL things I liked, but Firefox mobile caught up pretty quick and I ditched it. Before Opera, I was using Dolphin for a while.
Have you seen Fennec or Iceraven? Nice little Firefox forks for Android that prioritize privacy and add a few great tools. I would have mentioned Mull, too, but sadly it was abandoned recently.
Yep, I’ve got Fennec installed. But only Firefox nightly had… I don’t remember what. Probably desktop-like tabs. I forgot.
But Firefox still has issues with scaling desktop sites which Opera does perfectly. Well, actually, Firefox does too in desktop mode. I think the only thing I am missing is permanent desktop mode. When I only changed UA, I had the scaling issues.
Well, I just checked since I updated Fennec yesterday because I had leftover data. The toggle seems to be there now. But the tabs don’t show up desktop-style. I should re-check Firefox Nightly. I think that toggle was the only missing thing for me.
Weird. For me, I can’t stop Fennec from switching back to desktop mode occassionally. I can’t figure out if its a setting I have on or a bug, tbh, but its inconsistent, so I’m going to say its the latter. I’m fairly sure it can do it, though.
I used a browser that had this… lemme take a look at my phone, I might be able to figure which one. Ah! Fulguris. It’s a pretty decent underdog browser, and even lets you customize how wide you want desktop pages to be per orientation, from what I’m seeing. I remember being able to get the tabs to view as desktop tabs, but it’s been a while since I’ve used it.
So I just tried Firefox Nightly. Seems to work fine now. I actually had disable automatic font scaling, otherwise it was funky (something too large, something too small). The desktop mode toggle is in Settings -> Site settings on top. “Always request desktop site” was on by default on my phone (possibly related to custom high DPI setting).
Chrome, as a kid, then FF. Then to FF nightly. On mobile, I also used DDG (mainly for the tracker block thing), and Kiwi, until FF nightly supported browser extensions.
I’ve heard lots of good things about Kiwi, and I vaguely remember trying it. Never dug into FF Nightly. I’m a little wary of Mozilla right now, but part of me is also confident that they’re not being malicious, despite what’s been happening. I’m just more of an “err on the side of caution” person.
Does Nightly have anything that’s radically different than stable? I’m curious.
Apart from rarely being the opposite of stable - randomly crashing -, I often find myself seeing news about “you can now try out feature XY in the newest firefox experiment/beta!” - and meanwhile I’m already using feature XY since months, without hiccups. Also, more power, similar to developer edition (eg. bypassing addon signing).
I may have to mess around with it a bit. I like writing custom CSS for browsers and having more power would be fun to play with.
Firefox.
Because it’s not Chromium based so it’s not subject to any changes to the underlying code that might do something stupid like stop ad blockers from working.
I had been using FireFox since it’s launch. The only reason I ever switch to Chrome originally was because, at the time, Firefox was crashing like every 10 minutes after an update it had. Chrome ended up being faster and, at that time, used less resources.
Switched back the moment news about Manifest V3 started being reported on a few years back.
That’s a big one for me. It’s why I mainly use Firefox forks. I’m feeling pretty anti-Google these days, anyway. Though there is a stripped down Chromium browser that’s supposed to be de-Googled and I think still allows ad blockers. I think, I’m not 100% sure. It’s just simply called Chromium. I used to run it on my Pi4, because it took the least amount of resources and was the smoothest experience.
Chromium is just the open-source component of the Chrome browser, so it will still come with any code changes that Chrome make to break ad blocking and so on.
You mention right at the top that there were no issues with FF. It might not be exciting, but it doesn’t prevent ad blockers or anything else for that matter. There’s a reason why it’s the first browser I recommend to anyone for anything.
No, I agree. I’ve had 0 problems with it and it will be my first recommendations to newer users, as well. I always tell people to be careful with extensions though, as Mozilla states that they do not review every extension and you could add something nefarious.
I mean, that could be the same for Chrome, but it’s been so long since I’ve touched that browser that I don’t even know what it looks like anymore, let alone what their addon policy is.
Librewolf. It does everything i need, and nothing i don’t. It doesn’t have bloatware or adware, and it respects my privacy. That’s all I care about, besides that it can still do everything I need a browser to do.
I’ve tried a good amount of Firefox forks and Librewolf is hands down my fav. God tier browser imo
I need to try Librewolf. I’ve seen the praises it gets here on Lemmy. I’ve been holding off, because I feel like Floorp is very similar. I may try Firedragon as well, but I feel like it may be rather bloated as far as FF forks go.
IIRC, Firedragon is Floorp with the best of Librewolf.
I was using it until a couple of months ago, when an update not only wiped all my open pages but also all the workspaces I’d created.
Ohhhh, okay. That would give me more of an incentive to try it. I always just assumed it was Garuda’s browser to match its KDE Sweet theme aesthetic. Excuse me while I go download a fifth browser for this PC.
There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave
Wut
For real - I didn’t know what to make of such a completely false statement.
Lol, brief time and more in the general public. Very brief time, before it even had a mobile app. I was still on Reddit then, and it was the number one recommended everywhere. I’m foggy, but I believe it didn’t even have the wallet at the time (though correct me if I’m wrong, because I may be).
I’ve been following browser trends since Netscape Navigator, and I catch the small shifts, no matter how brief. Though, admittedly, it may have just been the groups I ran in that used it. I can’t speak for everyone, just what I saw at the time.
This ia what they call an echo chamber. You took it at face value and didn’t question it.
I don’t disagree. I was young and stupid.
I doubt it ever, even for a single day, cracked the top 3 downloads for a browser. Maybe top 3 mobile browsers in terms of downloads over a brief stretch, but not in terms of market share overall
Oh, no I doubt that as well. Like I said, the communities I ran in were all praising it and recommending it at the time. I’ve seen the graph charts for browser downloads. The top 3 are monoliths. But Brave did stand out for a time.
I use Vanadium/Trivalent (GrapheneOS fork of mobile Chromium and its desktop equivalent) for general internet use on a general-use system, and Firefox inside of specific qubes for specific purposes otherwise.
On a general-use system, the additional security of Vanadium and Trivalent give me a bit of peace of mind when using the same browser for admin work, sensitive stuff like banking, and general browsing.
With the Qubes model, everything is segmented and isolated anyway, so I can use Firefox, which despite its flaws has been my favorite since the Netscape days.
I have a Pixel 7 Pro I’ve been itching to put Graphene on. The fact that everything can be containerized in a stock environment is just too good. ROMs have come so far since the old days of Resurrection Remix. I remember flashing that on my old Moto X, specifically because I bought it secondhand and there was no connections at all, even after factory resetting.
LTE, 3g, Wifi, nothing worked. So I rooted it and made sure to install the drivers alongside Resurrection Remix (which were called the modem drivers, iirc) and was surprised that everything was working. The fact that we now can run whole systems in containers is an amazing win for technology.
I use Firefox but I’m keeping my eye on Ladybird
Ladybird is the most exciting thing to happen to browsers. Madlads really doing it, building from the ground up. I have mad respect for them. I gotta see if they have a donation page and give them some support. I want this to work and blow everything else out of the water.
For sure! I only heard about it recently but it’s so exciting and they’ve already made so much progress. I’ll definitely be switching once it’s deemed to be in a releasable state.
Same.
But we all know !links2@lemmy.sdf.org is the best browser. And if you use piefed, you can use it :)
mullvad browser + librewolf
LibreWolf, I’ve been using Firefox ever since I switched from Mozilla browser, but nowadays with what Mozilla is doing I felt compelled to switch to LibreWolf and IronFox.
You’re the first other user I’ve seen to mention IronFox. I have it as a backup. Its relatively new, isn’t it? And it goes beyond to make sure it’s privacy first. To the point where it won’t even connect to third party apps for login purposes. Definitely my dark horse Android browser.
Iirc, you have to add the repository to F-Droid, which keeps it from being recognized more.
Ah that’s why it doesn’t show me the KeePassX logins, I was wondering if I broke something :D
Yeah, that’s what I’ve noticed, anyway. There’s a massive amount of settings to mess with, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you could change it to work. But that would just make it like any other fork, so I mainly stick with Fennec.
Laptop is Fedora Workstation. Here I use Brave for logins and LibreWolf+UBO is my main “forgetful” browser.
Phone is GrapheneOS - I also use Brave for logins. Ironfox is my main browser which comes with UBO preinstalled plus a few extra blocklists which I did add to LibreWolf…
Librewolf and Ironfox are synced through a Mozilla account.
Firefox.
I can personalize it as much as I want and it respects my privacy, or at least any part that doesn’t can be easily turned off.
I used to dive deep into personalizing Firefox, myself. Have you seen the CSS store on github?
https://firefoxcss-store.github.io/
It’s not as active as it used to be, but still has some interesting CSS.
Oh, cool! Yeah, I’ve seen that before, I think, it’s awesome.
From my top browsers, Librewolf and Brave Browser are probably in first place. Librewolf is, of course, better in terms of privacy, but I like Brave Browser because it performs better. I compared their performance on an old laptop, and Brave really works better. These are two open-source browsers, and there probably aren’t any better ones, in principle.
I still occasionally check out Brave and it usually is quick and smooth every time. There was a time I solely used it for logins and personal applications.
Give Floorp a shot sometime, its so smooth and light if you’re looking for something in the performance bracket.
I tried all the browsers on my old laptop, and the brave browser proved to be the best-it’s my favorite in terms of performance.
I hear you. It really is that smooth. Some may disagree, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong in choosing Brave. Just be sure to go through your settings and make certain that there’s nothing on that you don’t want on. They have a tendency to do that to their users.
I believe there was an update a while back that even turned things on that had been turned off by the user previously, but they claim it was an accident. But with any browser you should always keep an eye on your settings after updating, anyway.
What exactly is confusing you? Is it the obsession with cryptocurrency? Yes, the Brave browser is filled with crypto stuff, but it still works quite well
Ah, no that’s not it at all. I gotta see if I can look back to what happened. I think it was the Brave Rewards auto-contribute, though I’m seeing things like it accessing webcams without explicit permission. Ah, wait, it was the VPN. In 2023 they made an update that installed a paid VPN service on user’s computers as well as turning on telemetry even for users that had turned it off. That caused a huge stir.
They also have a long loooong history of putting ads into their browser and their homepage and keeping the revenue, selling scraped data, and leaking DNS queries in their built in TOR browser from what I’m reading here.
Yeah, I did some research and you’re right, Brave has a questionable reputation. They don’t really care about security and privacy as much as they care about money. Well, we only have LibreWolf =) (and maybe floorp)
There’s a good amount of Firefox forks to tide us over, plus you could always check out QTWebEngine browsers. I hear Falkon has a decent reputation, and as a Vim user I love Qutebrowser. I got curious and just tried Falkon. The integrated adblock is quite good and I got a greasemonkey script that at least silenced and blacked out ads (it did not skip them, though).
Firefox. Little fuckery, and it’s what I’m used to.
Firefox (long term user) and my backup is Brave (in case something isn’t displaying right) and my extra backup is Chrome which I hope to never use. And then there’s IE that I used to download those.
lol Poor IE. In the user setting that’s all its good for. Good thing they still get businesses to use it. A big reason I love Linux is that it doesn’t have Edge stuck to it like a leech and I don’t even need a browser to get a browser (though I think this can also be accomplished in Windows if you know how).
Firefox and Brave was my duo for a long time, too.