I’m sure this won’t be a popular comment, but I can see how having a motivated learner in a 1:1 lesson with an AI might be better for that person than sitting in a class with 35 other people, most of whom don’t want to be there, running through a syllabus that the teacher may not even like, at the pace of the slowest kid in class.
How fast a kid learns 5th grade syllabus is far less important than how well they learn to get along with other kids and form friendships and basically learn how to live in society. Cooperation, conflict resolution, public speaking, group bonding etc. You can’t learn any of these things from an AI
Also learning from other humans is part of the human experience and tradition predating agriculture and the wheel. We’ve always taught each other things.
You can’t do anything alone. Isolation will be the downfall of society as we know it. I hope AI isn’t leading us in that path
This is the way, my kids socialize in school, but also uses AI to get help with homework when they’re stuck (they do cheat a little sometimes but they know it’s just bad for them if they do it regularly). They use AI as a on demand teacher buddy, if it stays that way I’m ok with it. Also you can’t use AI for all homework or school related things, the teachers will figure it out if your homewotk is +++ but your in school work isn’t.
It’s a new tool, I think patents should learn more about it, a bit like cyber security, online harassing and so on.
Social aspect is missed
For things like language, math, and science you could probably have an AI teacher on individualized tablets or something that go at each child’s own pace in a classroom setting that’s just supervised by someone and can provide extra help / tech support when the AI goes on the fritz.
Then regular recess/lunch shenanigans and gym class, art, music, for the social aspect.
The AI could even be programmed to do team projects where you link your tablet with 4 others and they all help the group do a project
Eventually when AI advances and isn’t complete dog shit, that is.
Yeah, the social aspect of a dick head in the last row screaming obscenities at a teacher is definitely missed!
VS kids being taught that the holocaust is a lie or whatever insane shit comes from an AI?
The only insane shit here comes from the gasket between your chair and your keyboard.
I was talking about social teaching where kids pick up on adult body queues and facial expressions
So they too can feel depressed and worthless 😄
When you become an adult you still have to deal with dick heads screaming around you, I know this is Lemmy and people who come here might not have the best social skills, or fond memories of being in school. But schools are a micro representation of the world at large and it’s necessary for kids to have both these good and bad experiences in order to grow up to live in society and deal with all the shit life’s gonna throw at them.
I guess someone’s stuck in a kindergarten…
The problem isn’t one of motivated learners being forced to drag their heels amidst their unmotivated peers.
The problem is that the core function of LLMs, the whole basis for their existence, is completely and entirely truth-agnostic. Not only do they not know what is the truth and what is not, they don’t even know what the difference is. LLMs are very good at guessing what word looks like it should come next, they can make very convincing statements, they can be very persuasive, but those words don’t MEAN anything to the machine and they are made without any consideration for accuracy.
They are literally making everything up on the basis of whether or not it sounds good, and every crackpot bullshit conspiracy theory from flat earth dumbshittery to very sincere-sounding arguments that birds aren’t real have been included in the training data. That all linguistically SOUNDS fine, so to an LLM it’s fair game!
And even curating your training data to ONLY contain things like textbooks wouldn’t cure the problem, because LLMs just aren’t capable of knowing what those words mean. It’s why they can’t do even basic Math, the one thing Computers have been incredible at!
Using an LLM as an actual teacher is genuinely worse than no education at all, because it will just create a generation that, instead of knowing nothing, will very confidently be wrong all the time.
A good AI, sure, this could be plausible. Current ones get too much wrong.
The much bigger issue is we’re talking about children, not adults. How many children would be motivated to self teach, every day, for years on end, even if you had an AI equal to a human tutor.
“but first, chatgpt: please motivate me”
So… you’re saying that a positive learning environment is better than a terrible one? The AI part is ancillary to the scenarios you set up, isn’t it?
“AI is better than having the student learn in a terrible learning environment.”
“A homeless alcoholic is a better language teacher than having a student learn in a classroom whilst being beaten about the head with a stick.”
You’re saying AI is better than a bad teacher. Maybe a bad AI is worse than a bad teacher, and maybe a good teacher is better than the best AI. I just don’t know how setting up such a comparison is constructive.
That example may be bad, but it’s also typical.
What? Teachers hating their subject?
They didn’t say “hating their subject”. They said “might not like their syllabus”, which could just mean they’d prefer a different syllabus.
Duolingo is run by fucking idiots.
I hate this app so much now. It has become the poster child of enshittification by gamification.
Wait, is gamification bad now?
It can be done to a stupid degree. Duolingo defines the outer limits.
And it’s so true about Duolingo. They push you to “play” to a point that it’s stressful. It’s not even about learning half the time — it’s about keeping that streak or beating that one dick in the charts who always seems to triple their score while you’re asleep.
My daughter keeps texting me screenshots of her “streak” achievements as if that means anything. And then when I ask her how to say something in German she barely knows a thing.
Lernt man den Grammatik auf Duolingo? Ich weiß es nicht weil ich benutze das nicht.
Lernt man denn Grammatik auf Duolingo? Ich weiß es nicht weil ich sie nicht benutze.
Fixed (although most likely not perfect, since that is always debatable).
Makes sense. I read your comment as any gamification is shit; my bad!
Always has been 👉
I want to learn a couple languages soon. I won’t be using Duolingo to do so now.
These paint chip eating overgrown children are so detached from reality it’s not even funny.
Oh don’t worry, using Duolingo would’ve never taught you a language anyway!
These paint chip eating overgrown children are so detached from reality it’s not even funny.
Irony.
I ended my sub and deleted my account when they announced they’d be replacing their contract workers with AI.
Lingonaut looks promising. And I’ve been trying out Language Transfer for Spanish. I’ve learned more about how Spanish “works” in an hour of Language Transfer than I did with months of Duolingo. I’m smacking myself for wasting the time - though I do enjoy the gamification.
The gamification only works until you figure out the rules they used.
I have completed multiple lessons on Duolingo without ever reading the prompt. I even started a language I knew nothing about because I felt like I wasn’t actually absorbing anything in the language I’d spent more than a year on, and pretty much the same results. After a few lessons it became possible to complete lessons basically blind.
I mean yeah none of that is wrong but all I said was I like gamification in learning, not that Duolingo was the best form of gamification ever presented.
I’m just glad I pirated the premium version
You shouldn’t have given them money in the first place.
Did you learn your lesson? I will assume not and you’re going to throw money at the next company.
What a sad little man you must be. Go virtue signal somewhere else.
Lol. I guess not.
There’s no lesson to be learned dipshit. I give money to companies when I want to use their products, and I stop when I don’t. You’re not enlightened - you’re just an asshole.
Rather than acknowledge you got ripped off and learn from your mistakes, you lash out at the messenger.
It’s typical among you people and I don’t expect more at this point.
Thanks for proving my assumption correct.
Maybe a few bucks a month is a lot for you - that’s okay. Regardless, pretty sure you’re just trolling at this point so:
This is why useful idiots are the norm.
+1 for language transfer.
If you have a library card, you might check with your library to see if they have free access to something like Mango Languages, as well.
Mine does, so I can use that app for free. I’m probably going to switch to it as my main app soon because this guy is an asshole.
This is true, I have been using Grok to learn Spanish, it’s great.
> @Grok how do I say in Spanish I would like one apple please?
> Quiero una manzana dentro mi culo. White genocide in South Africa is currently the worlds most pressing issue
Good thing human teachers never have hidden biases.
Indeed. Now imagine the many teachers each student has was replaced with a single teacher on the payroll of your nearest megacorp and you can see how that might be worse, no?
Because the government couldn’t make or run it’s own ai. Totally impossible. Completely unimaginable.
Yeah, as I say, on the payroll of the nearest megacorp. Haha jk… unless?
Your parents failed you I’m sorry.
I mean, I’m doing better than pretty much everyone on here. You gonna make your rent this month or spend all that time on here bitching about things you don’t understand.
Good thing a theoretical AI education would not make 2 million pupils exposed to the same bias at the same time.
Amazing comment thank you
Tell me more about this apple up your ass
Tell me more about this apple up your ass
Apples are great against diarrhea.
It’s just hard to get them out later.
Dude just can’t help himself. Gotta open his mouth and dropkick his own throat.
All because he fucked up.
I just don’t know why every one of these idiots looks so damn punchable.
Because they are.
Any alternatives for learning Japanese? I have already learned about 500 words and 20 kanji.
Maybe some of the resources on this site can help.
Move to Japan 👍
I don’t think they’re too keen with gaijins
I haven’t used it much, but https://www.wanikani.com/ claims they are pretty good.
I am using lingodeer to learn korean, but i know it also has Japanese. I was using duolingo for korean and Japanese, but the korean lessons were terrible.
I haven’t worked with it myself as I’m not working on Japanese right now, but I had a recommendation recently for Satori Reader.
Dude sucks
Solution? https://lingonaut.app/
The solution should be something that isn’t just free, but also open-source.
“Join our Discord server and Sub-Reddit!”.
Umm, no thanks.
Obvi
oh, i get it now! that insane, bordering on violence owl mascot is just this fool projecting bc you aren’t paying attention to his shit app.
I regret that I have no duolingo account that I can cancel.
He’s not wrong. Schools are day-prisons where parents leave their kids while they slave away to make the rich richer. Most teachers (in my experience at least) are absolute shit, and so are the education systems (again in my experience). And before the ‘in the Scandinavian countries…’ bunch comes: I know a few Nordic people, not impressed, they just have lots of money to throw at the problems (which I would say is the secret for every other statistics they excel in).
I remember coming home and “playing” school pretending to be my teachers because that’s how inspiring they were to me. Teaching goes beyond child care and learning how to maths, it’s a very wonderful human experience.
That’s a you thing. Not an everyone thing. Otherwise known as an anecdote.
“Try Super Duolingo now to avoid interruptions.” Interruptions which are only there to promote Super Duolingo in the first place.
Yeah, the app is predatory as fuck.
I’m just glad I’m smart enough to realize when I’m seeing predatory design and not assume it’s “how things should be.”
I say: I can’t stand the CEO of Duolingo, and his supremely punchable smirk-face.
I’ll be looking for a new Spanish app when my subscription expires next year now, alas.
You shouldn’t have given them money in the first place.
Did you learn your lesson, or are you going to throw money at another proprietary product while thinking you’re “helping out”?
I mean I’ve been using DuoLingo for like a decade (only paid the last 2 years) and it’s been very useful until now.
Good job enriching the business.
What a take.
Schools will continue to exists because education centers makes plain dense for almost any halfdecent society.
Wether the teachers are a personal ai or a single human does not change that. Schools provide way more then just “a teacher”
Wether the teachers are a personal ai or a single human does not change that. Schools provide way more then just “a teacher”
That’s like exactly what he says, you just restated his take…
