Should just use Linux, tbh.
Isn’t this true for all Windows versions?
I heard that Windows 7 is very fast
Windows 7 and 10 were decent enough after a clean install. Windows 11 doesn’t necessarily feel sluggish but with all the stuff Microsoft blasts at you it doesn’t feel like you’re getting anything done.
It’s like the operative system is constantly fighting you and doesn’t want to get out of the way.
I don’t have many complaints when it comes to Windows 10. About the only thing I really have an issue with is the damn notification center, but apparently not enough of a problem to do anything about it.
Windows 11 ams for the Dutch.
It’s true. My new windows laptop crashes, lags, and constantly blasts the fan. My older Linux laptop does none of those things even under greater workloads.
That sounds like some other sort of issue going on, not Win11.
Possibly bloatware related, unless it’s a clean install of Windows.
It was clean and I Uninstaller a ton of stuff, made the ui minimalist as possible. It’s usable and powerful, but it’s laggy and thr Microsoft apps like to crash.
One hardware difference is that Windows is on a Ryzen 7 plus discrete graphics vs the Linux (endeavourOS) one has a slightly older i7 (12th gen) and integrated graphics. They both have 32GB of RAM.
The plan for me is to go full-time Linux once I’m forced to move off Win10. I already use it a lot but I’m waiting on a few holdouts.
Normal news from Microsoft
Just waiting for Asahi Linux to get Bluetooth working and I can finally use Fedora on my M2 Air all my other computers run Linux. Dropped Windows over 15 years ago it was bad then and it just keeps getting worse every update.
Mac - best light laptop Linux - best server/programmer workstation Windows - best gaming machine
It’s been like that for years
When all the innovations are just ads and telemetry, shit is going to slow down.
Reason number #99 to make the switch to linux.
More like my #1 reason lol. If Linux wasn’t more performant than Windows there would be no way I would become a Linux nerd.
I have a 7950X, a pile of RAM, and an unfairly expensive RTX 4000-series GPU. The cursor occasionally hitches for ~400ms whenever doing things like opening task manager or resuming from the lock screen, so that checks out unfortunately.
It’s your 40 Series GPU dropping frames on DWM (the window manager).
Do you have software that controls RGB? I have a Corsair mouse that unfortunately has RGB and the only way (software wise) to turn it off is there awful software. And it’s not a setting, it’s more of a dead man’s switch.
When I had that software installed (Windows 10) there were times especially during gaming I could get massive mouse delay.
Windows is (finally) adding native RGB controls, might require a firmware update on the mouse though. It’s surprisingly competent for Microsoft tbh. Works fine on my Logitech g600
Not seeing corsair products on the list but probably will be eventually.
Windows is shit, but 11 is not shittier than 10…
If you’re talking about the user interface, I agree.
Windows 11 is bloated with ads and telemetry.
No shit!!! We all can see it. I have a laptop that I had install windows on because Nvidia sucked on Linux. So, I tried 11 and it was godawful. Laptop is pretty beefy actually. Shit lags everywhere
my school has new lenovo thinkstations in computer classes, and ofc win11 on every machine. students busy having to close teams that pops open every 23 seconds, all those cpu fans blowing at full speed, it’s hard to hear the teacher at all.
Fuck teams. Go into its settings and tell it not to start on system boot. You’d have to this every time it gets an update.
Pretty much what I said. Never touching an Nvidia product ever until they open source their shit like Intel and AMD. I built my first PC a couple of month ago and went full AMD.
I’ve seen lots of people recommend PopOS for NVidia users. I personally haven’t tried it yet, but could be worth a shot if you get sick of windows again.
Nobara has been working well on a 3060ti
It’d be a cheaper solution than switching to an AMD card for my gaming pc, which is my current plan. I do want to upgrade from my 2080 anyways, but graphics card are just SO expensive
This is the biggest problem with Linux IMO. If drivers could be universally fixed on Linux to be as easy as or easier than windows and Mac then the competition would have no chance. I can deal with other issues., I can deal with weird glitches, but if I can’t even use my devices that’s kind of a non-starter.
It’s not that I can’t figure out drivers, it’s just I don’t want to spend 5 hours on it.
Fair disclosure, I have been traumatized by NDIS wrappers
I’m sure you know this, but it is not linux’s fault, it’s your device’s maker who refuses to make their driver available for Linux.
one user noted, going to Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop and changing MenuShowDelay from the default 400 to 0.
If that variable means what I think it means, how on earth was it ever approved?
You add a Delay to the component and when the boss says ‘make it faster’ - you could spend hours optimizing - or you just remove, or make smaller the delays.
You look fantastic to your boss if you can remove a 1/2 delay.
I’ve got set timeout all over my websites for this purpose 🤣😭.
For fucks sake I hope your joking x.x
If that makes it past a code review, it means there was never a code review. Given that companies exist where shit is shipped straight to production, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not a joke…
If they’re a solo freelancer it’s possible.
Shit! This damn computer is doing things before I think them! If only we could add a delay so it behaved a little better. Hey! You can!
Assumedly, to deal with a race condition.
Because that reg key controls how long you have to hover over a menu object in ms before the tooltip appears. Try set it to zero and reboot if you’d like, but it’s going to be a shit experience I’d wager. Cause you have tooltips appearing all the time and they’ll end up getting in the way and covering other ui elements.
There are many flaws with windows, but that ain’t one of them.
Deep nested menus were also much more common (including the start menu itself), and the menu items were often cramped closer together too. I used to turn the delay to zero because it was “cool” to see all the sub menus flying out everywhere as you moved your mouse up or down to where you actually wanted to go, but as they often popped over due to limited screen space it was actually a poor experience as you mentioned.
Still felt leet though.
This. I just can’t understand how people stick to Windows. Microsoft clearly doesn’t care about its customers, same goes for Apple.
Because Linux doesn’t just work out of the box.
Somehow the Linux evangelists never understand that point.
All your peripherals, no matter how old, and all your (legacy) software just works on windows. Maybe the OS isn’t blazing fast and there is more and more so called bloatware (at least according to FOSS people), but if I plug in my 10y old Logitech wireless mouse, it works in 10 sec. In Linux I’d have to start searching for a solution, a driver, a little hack, a script, a controller repository, etc… It will work eventually, but it’s not intuitive. Doubly so for people that were raised on windows.
Linux is absolutely not user friendly for non techies that have 20y of windows habits in them.
When I installed Nobara Linux on my younger sister’s old hand-me-down laptop, I spent more time trying to get the WiFi card working then I did installing the new SSD and operating system. And this is a distro focused on making Linux more “works out of the box” than Fedora (which it’s based on). This isn’t something she would have been able to figure out on her own. I switched the laptop from Windows 10 because of how slow it was, but slow is better than no Internet if you aren’t a tech nerd who can figure out what random ass commands to run to finally get WiFi working.
Well I haven’t used Windows in years, so I really can’t compare. I’ve been using different distros over the years (lately PopOS) and it’s really become much better in terms of hardware compatibility. There are some distros that are user friendly and work out of the box like that. I think linux has the reputation of being an OS for techies, so people find it intimidating. But if we look at Windows interfaces nowadays they are not as simple as e.g. Windows XP used to be.
But that’s the entire point. The windows UI is still easy, especially for people that have always used windows. There have only been gradual changes. :)
And to slap in an anecdote, I am quite proficient with everything IT related. I try installing Linux once a year on average, in general I try to recommended “noob distros” . I always go back to windows after a few weeks at best. You really have to make an big effort to fully go to Linux. I end up spending more time dealing with the OS itself than doing the stuff I want.
I can absolutely see the appeal of it, but I don’t enjoy it :)
I am trying to think of things that are difficult for using something like Linux mint vs my last Windows install. If we are taking about doing a full, clean install of both, I think my last Windows install was way worse.
Mint installed and just detected everything I was using without a problem. I had to tweak some minor things to get it to display on the 4K TV I am using in my living room, and there are still some games that don’t play nicely with Linux.
The Windows install, on the other hand, required me to get drivers for the video card, WIFI, and a few other things to get all the hardware to work right. Then getting it how I like it took longer than I like and I had to visit multiple sites to get all my preferred software.
windows also doesn’t just “work out of the box” if we include things like microsoft account, installing software. De garbifying windows.
If you have and or ok with making an MS account, and love having a bloated system, yeah, it works out of the box.
Also, with that logitech mouse, it should be running HID protocol, anything else is just proprietary garbage. Linux literally dropped kernel support from a voodoo graphics card like half a year ago now.
As an end user, I don’t care about proprietary garbage, I want my mouse to work :). I understand the aversion to proprietary stuff etc. But non techie end users don’t give a flying fuck.
Also, everyone has had an MS account since the msn messenger and Hotmail heydays. That is an absolute non issue for 99% of the people tbh.
i mean, that’s fair i suppose. But like, Why the fuck is anybody producing a mouse that isnt using HID, and how could that possibly be beneficial? You might be talking about control software i suppose, but there are often alternative community bits for it. And it sure as hell doesn’t stop a device from working.
The entire fucking point of USB is for it to be a UNIVERSAL serial bus. Building something in such a way that you need proprietary anything to use HID drivers is just baffling levels of stupid. The entire point of having HID be a defined thing, is so that the software side, only has one driver, and the hardware manufactures, can just use it. So that it can just work
it’s not about it just working, it’s also about you as a consumer buying something, that works wherever it is, because it follows explicitly stated standards, that exist for this reason. That is a non argument. You bought a shit product, the only benefit here, is that windows happens to support an arbitrary non standard device protocol. This is like buying a car that doesn’t use a steering wheel, and being pissed off when you learn that literally every other vehicle made ever uses a steering wheel.
That blurb about the MS accounts is not true, i didn’t have one until windows 10 pestered me to get one upon install. If i hadn’t done it then, i would’ve done it later when they bought minecraft, and even them, i don’t want to sign into my OS. I just want it to turn on, and work. Regardless of the state of the internet, and my MS account. I suppose you could say, that i “just want it to work”
Wow. You’re really committed!
People just won’t be willing to use an OS that requires hours just to get connected to a network, or that won’t display at full resolution because of some driver issue. Seems like a basic QOL issue to me.
Linux is not really designed for Windows users. Windows is.
Also, Windows blows.
I use Linux for old laptops, windows for new ones, for that reason.
People just won’t be willing to use an OS that requires hours just to get connected to a network, or that won’t display at full resolution because of some driver issue. Seems like a basic QOL issue to me.
literally never had any of these issues. The closest i’ve been was a weird proprietary bluetooth tag adapter in one of thinkpads that doesn’t work. Oh well, i don’t use bluetooth, and it doesn’t have good driver support. Every intel chipset ever is supported natively (almost, debian doesn’t include non free drivers, but that’s a trivial fix) Literally just use an intel chipset, it will make your life so much easier.
I’m using a 1070 right now on my workstation, display output works just fine with proprietary nvidia drivers, i’ve also had it work just fine with nouveau drivers as well. Hell that shit literally displays at native res without any drivers, you just won’t be doing any GUI acceleration at all. X doesn’t give a shit, it just sees pixels and makes them light up.
No shit windows is designed for windows users? Who the fuck else is it designed for? Animals? This is like complaining about how big and clunky an f150 is after driving a corolla for 10 years. No shit, one of them is literally 3 times the size of the other.
You cannot go into linux expecting it to be like windows, just like you cannot walk into a wall expecting it to work like a door.
My experience has been opposite. Ubuntu just works. On windows, you have to always fuck around with some 3rd party drivers, and using wierd hacks to even use unsigned drivers at all, be it a RTL-SDR, Android in debug mode, or a USB attached bitcoin miner…
The logitech wireless mouse works instantly on Ubuntu based distros. On windows, it has to install the driver, causing a sizable delay before it’s usable.
If you build your PC specifically for the purpose of using Linux it does work out of the box. I realize that’s a very specific use case though. AMD graphics just works, installing anything based on Ubuntu just works, if you download the Nvidia version of pop_os it just works. This out of the box excuse just doesn’t hold any water anymore.
I need Adobe suite
Are there issues running it with wine? Never tried or looked into it personally
Adobe is notorious difficult to run on Linux, even with wine. It’s one of the few things that I’d dare say could lock someone to windows unfortunately
i would hesitate to say that you need it. You probably depend quite heavily on it. But even drugs you quite literally don’t need, even though you can become chemically dependent on them, you can still break off, it’s not easy but doable. And this is software we’re talking about.
i’m not saying you shouldn’t use adobe, but i’m also not saying that you’re trying hard enough to not use them. Humans are creatures of adaption. Given the time, effort, and motivation, a considerable amount of work can be done in situations where you wouldn’t expect it.
Ever heard of a job? Some people need to work with a specific software suite as part of their job, regardless of their personal convictions :)
I have to use office and chrome on windows at work, I don’t get any choice in the matter.
Photoshop doesn’t really have an equal. Gimp pretends to be in the same category, but it’s light years behind.
You guys are as unbearable as door to door evangelists
That’s why big tech pays the big bucks to be the “default”
The trend continues. 11 trash, 10 decent (with a little work tbh), 8 trash, 7 decent, vista trash, xp decent…
The start menu behaves the same way on 10, and server 2016, 2019. I usually have to try several times before the start menu even opens. It’s a pain to work with.
8.1 was decent
For limited values of decent…
this is windows we’re talking about
