If you go there and look at the map you will realize a two state solution has been a dream of those who didn’t look at that map for decades.
Pulling those people out of there would be political suicide for the Israeli government, they can’t do it. Settlements sound like a house here and there, but it’s whole communities with universities, hospitals, fire departments, malls, etc. It’s all so extremely interwoven for decades, and yes, it’s getting worse.
They did exactly that in Gaza in 2005 and removed the 8,000 Settlers from 21 settlements. But in the Westbank we’re talking about a number 100 times that. And also, did it bring peace to Gaza?
I’m not saying that I have a solution, but just saying they should have 2-states is wishful thinking in my opinion.
Palestinian philosopher and writer Edward Said was also famously in favor of a one-state solution which granted equal rights to Palestinians.
I think that is honestly the only way forward, but feel like it will take extended intervention by a foreign government or international organization to enforce. And I am guessing that really means extended at this point.
There’s too much bad blood for either side to trust another with political power. Even if they dropped their arms tomorrow, one state solution wouldn’t happen, at the very least not in the nearby time.
Palestinians want a free Palestine from the river to the sea, where everyone is free. Israelis want a religious ethno supremacist state, there’s not bad blood on both sides, you are both siding a genocide and history will recall your sentiment very poorly.
The West Bank has been divided into hundreds of bantustans.
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
"Its support – and this includes what is even called the ‘peace camp’ in Israel – for a two-state solution is an idea that says that you do not have to directly control every part of historical Palestine in order to establish your dominance and hegemony between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. So, if you can squeeze the Palestinians into small Bantustans and allow them to have a flag and a semblance of a government, there are quite a few Israelis who do not mind at all, so long as this will be the last and final kind of settlement for the Palestine question. Which means no real political rights for the Palestinians, no right of return for the refugees, and keeping all Palestinians in different parts of historical Palestine, at best as second-rate citizens, at worst, as subjects in an apartheid state.
The reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate, before the mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres of 1948, and Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward; while the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE,NYT,Haaretz,AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.j
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
If you go there and look at the map you will realize a two state solution has been a dream of those who didn’t look at that map for decades.
Pulling those people out of there would be political suicide for the Israeli government, they can’t do it. Settlements sound like a house here and there, but it’s whole communities with universities, hospitals, fire departments, malls, etc. It’s all so extremely interwoven for decades, and yes, it’s getting worse.
They did exactly that in Gaza in 2005 and removed the 8,000 Settlers from 21 settlements. But in the Westbank we’re talking about a number 100 times that. And also, did it bring peace to Gaza?
I’m not saying that I have a solution, but just saying they should have 2-states is wishful thinking in my opinion.
Palestinian philosopher and writer Edward Said was also famously in favor of a one-state solution which granted equal rights to Palestinians.
I think that is honestly the only way forward, but feel like it will take extended intervention by a foreign government or international organization to enforce. And I am guessing that really means extended at this point.
There’s too much bad blood for either side to trust another with political power. Even if they dropped their arms tomorrow, one state solution wouldn’t happen, at the very least not in the nearby time.
Palestinians want a free Palestine from the river to the sea, where everyone is free. Israelis want a religious ethno supremacist state, there’s not bad blood on both sides, you are both siding a genocide and history will recall your sentiment very poorly.
It’s already a one-state reality, an apartheid state.
That’s one way to look at it, but I doubt it’s productive. We should be trying to get a two state solution out there.
The West Bank has been divided into hundreds of bantustans.
Settlements
The reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate, before the mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres of 1948, and Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward; while the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.j
It’s not difficult at all. You build on foreign land you lose it.
You can really see how they’ve shaped what’s left of Palestine up into numerous small ghettos. Isolating groups and slowly eating away at them.
Weird.
The Nazis did the same back in the 1930s.
This comparison is just wrong.
Care to provide details and evidence to justify your position?
At this point it can’t be worse than what is happening now.
I’m afraid they can and will find a way … 😢