Except that the US said last week that Ukraine WILL join NATO. Its an astounding stupid move when that is precisely what Russia doesnt want to happen. Biden is such a fuck up its astounding. Literally that dick head is pushing us directly into WW3.
Oh shit, you’re right. Russia doesn’t want that, so I guess we should just let them have what they want.
What are you on about? This is a war in which Russia, unprovoked, invaded its neighbor to grab land, bodies, ports, and food. Russia is going to share multiple borders with NATO when this is over; the question is just whether the border is the Ukrainian border or the Polish border. If either of those scenarios results in World War 3, odds are pretty good both of them do. There’s simply no universe in which NATO allows Russia to take over all of Eastern Europe (again). Even if the fascists take the US in November, Europe will pour everything it has into stopping Putin’s advance.
Sure, Ukraine probably “loses” in the end, in one way or another. By many measures they’ve already lost. But it’s not a binary proposition. The point of propping up Ukraine at this stage is as much about forcing Russia to spend its fighting ability on Ukraine now, instead of in WW3. This desire is part of the reason that capitulating, conceding some land, and letting Russia regroup for a decade before doing a better job next time is only palatable with Ukraine in NATO. The threat of a world war is the only thing that would stop Russia from repeating this bullshit every ten to twenty years for another five generations.
Except that the US said last week that Ukraine WILL join NATO.
I wonder why?
Its an astounding stupid move when that is precisely what Russia doesnt want to happen.
No one wanted to join NATO before Russia started experimenting with their break away tactics in Georgia in 08’. Before then most of the time when NATO offered membership the country would reject them. It’s actually not really that great of a deal, unless you are afraid of actually being attacked.
Literally that dick head is pushing us directly into WW3.
Ahh yes, the belligerent party who started all this has no autonomy nor responsibility over its own actions.
You are so ignorant as to the situation that I dont know where to start… I would recommend that you read Scott Hortons book “Provoked” because you just have a basic lack of understanding what is happening.
You mean the great mind that brought us “The Great Ron Paul”? I’m sorry, I don’t really feel the need to read how America caused all this by failing to protect the free market…
Ron Paul has been one of the greatest politicians we have ever had, but that is not related to the discussion of Ukraine (which he agrees we obviously should have never been involved in). But I guess if you dont know about Ron Paul, you wouldnt know the history of why these conflicts are happening.
Ron Paul has been one of the greatest politicians we have ever had
Maybe if you really enjoy racist cartoons, homophobia, and advocating for a race war?
but that is not related to the discussion of Ukraine
If you make an appeal to authority, I think it’s appropriate to criticize the legitimacy of that authority. I think being a fanboy of Ron Paul makes it pretty self evident that he has an odd perspective on current events.
But I guess if you dont know about Ron Paul
Just about his ties to the growing white nationalist movement going back as far as ruby ridge. He is one of the architects of modern organized white nationalist violence.
wouldnt know the history of why these conflicts are happening.
Lol, just because I don’t have the same perspective of an oxymoronic an-cap, doesn’t mean I’m unaware of history. If there is one consistency in Russian governments of the last 200 years, it’s been imperial expansion via Russian chauvinism. It doesnt matter if we’re talking about the Romanovs, the Soviets, or the federation, when Russia expands its borders it attempts to annex via assimilation into Russian culture and language.
At least you’re consistent with your political beliefs, Libertarians being incapable of empathic behavior and all. Oh, you don’t share the same archaic belief structure as me…you must not be a sentient being.
Way to turn solipsism into a political ideology, the ancient boy fuckers would be so proud of you.
Except that the US said last week that Ukraine WILL join NATO. Its an astounding stupid move when that is precisely what Russia doesnt want to happen. Biden is such a fuck up its astounding. Literally that dick head is pushing us directly into WW3.
Oh shit, you’re right. Russia doesn’t want that, so I guess we should just let them have what they want.
What are you on about? This is a war in which Russia, unprovoked, invaded its neighbor to grab land, bodies, ports, and food. Russia is going to share multiple borders with NATO when this is over; the question is just whether the border is the Ukrainian border or the Polish border. If either of those scenarios results in World War 3, odds are pretty good both of them do. There’s simply no universe in which NATO allows Russia to take over all of Eastern Europe (again). Even if the fascists take the US in November, Europe will pour everything it has into stopping Putin’s advance.
Sure, Ukraine probably “loses” in the end, in one way or another. By many measures they’ve already lost. But it’s not a binary proposition. The point of propping up Ukraine at this stage is as much about forcing Russia to spend its fighting ability on Ukraine now, instead of in WW3. This desire is part of the reason that capitulating, conceding some land, and letting Russia regroup for a decade before doing a better job next time is only palatable with Ukraine in NATO. The threat of a world war is the only thing that would stop Russia from repeating this bullshit every ten to twenty years for another five generations.
This is where it all breaks apart, the war was provoked and avoidable, if you dont understand that the me telling you anything is pointless.
I wonder why?
No one wanted to join NATO before Russia started experimenting with their break away tactics in Georgia in 08’. Before then most of the time when NATO offered membership the country would reject them. It’s actually not really that great of a deal, unless you are afraid of actually being attacked.
Ahh yes, the belligerent party who started all this has no autonomy nor responsibility over its own actions.
You are so ignorant as to the situation that I dont know where to start… I would recommend that you read Scott Hortons book “Provoked” because you just have a basic lack of understanding what is happening.
You mean the great mind that brought us “The Great Ron Paul”? I’m sorry, I don’t really feel the need to read how America caused all this by failing to protect the free market…
Ron Paul has been one of the greatest politicians we have ever had, but that is not related to the discussion of Ukraine (which he agrees we obviously should have never been involved in). But I guess if you dont know about Ron Paul, you wouldnt know the history of why these conflicts are happening.
Maybe if you really enjoy racist cartoons, homophobia, and advocating for a race war?
If you make an appeal to authority, I think it’s appropriate to criticize the legitimacy of that authority. I think being a fanboy of Ron Paul makes it pretty self evident that he has an odd perspective on current events.
Just about his ties to the growing white nationalist movement going back as far as ruby ridge. He is one of the architects of modern organized white nationalist violence.
Lol, just because I don’t have the same perspective of an oxymoronic an-cap, doesn’t mean I’m unaware of history. If there is one consistency in Russian governments of the last 200 years, it’s been imperial expansion via Russian chauvinism. It doesnt matter if we’re talking about the Romanovs, the Soviets, or the federation, when Russia expands its borders it attempts to annex via assimilation into Russian culture and language.
Gotcha, standard NPC propaganda, pass.
At least you’re consistent with your political beliefs, Libertarians being incapable of empathic behavior and all. Oh, you don’t share the same archaic belief structure as me…you must not be a sentient being.
Way to turn solipsism into a political ideology, the ancient boy fuckers would be so proud of you.
I give zero care what you opinion is, I could just listen to any shitlibs and its clear.