The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.
The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.
In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”
“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.
Wasn’t Eve created from a man’s rib as an afterthought?
There are two creation narratives in the book of Genesis, and both are considered to be historical allegories.
I have to warn you that some believe these are no allegory.
Are we still talking about Catholics?
both are considered to be historical allegories.
How convenient that the “word of god” (as many churches describe the bible) is so open to human interpretation.
But the ability to interpret it is also flexible… Sometimes it’s to be taking verbatim, sometimes it has to be interpreted (but only by the right people, of course)
The whole rib thing is likely just a PG version of the original…
Humans are one of the only mammals lacking a penis bone, men and women both have 24 ribs each…
There’s only one bone that human males lost, and that was the dick bone. So if Eve was made from a bone, she’s the root cause of male impotence because it’s a lot harder to keep a boner without a bone when you’re trying to bone.
Can we really handwave away the whole Adam and Eve thing though?
If we do, then what did Jesus die for?
The original sin. Which in most myths is acquiring knowledge or attaining sentience.
So…god did not plan for the reality of the fluidity of genders? The all powerful all knowing god did not account for this in his plan?
Hey…shut up.
-Pope.
The Torah has eleven genders in it. The Jewish God is supposed to be the same one as the Catholic God, so clearly they haven’t read up on their own history
What’s fascinating there is that not only does the Talmud identify eight genders, but two of them specify having changed their gender presentation through human intervention - precisely the type of intervention that the Pope is decrying here.
And if anyone knows about violating human dignity, it’s the Pope.
…and his children diddling army of minions
Ok boomer. If trans people want to “make themselves God”, I support that. Whatever that is supposed to mean anyway.
But touching little kids was definitely part of the plan.
Touching kids is their only plan.
If “God created man and woman as biologically different” then who created all the different intersex people? Even if you ignore or dismiss trans people, there are other people whose sexual characteristics at birth were not so easily sorted into male or female, and others whose physical traits either don’t align with the basic understanding of “sex” chromosomes or whose chromosomes are different than XX and XY.
Logically, if God exists, then either their statement is wrong and He does make people whose gender is indeterminate, or there is another god who is also making people. Or perhaps He is not that involved in the process, and “God’s Plan” is more of a loose framework.
It distinguished between gender-affirming surgeries, which it rejected, and “genital abnormalities” that are present at birth or that develop later. Those abnormalities can be “resolved” with the help of health care professionals, it said.
Because of course it has the worse take. Why would the Catholic Church think consent was something that mattered?
It distinguished between gender-affirming surgeries, which it rejected, and “genital abnormalities” that are present at birth or that develop later. Those abnormalities can be “resolved” with the help of health care professionals, it said.
Of course. God created males to be male and females to be female, and any attempt to change that is an abomination… but he didn’t create intersex people to be intersex, and that must be “corrected”. Just goes to show, this is just man putting his hate in God’s mouth again.
Honestly, the main reason I don’t believe in God is because I can’t believe any all-powerful, just and benevolent God would allow things like this to be said in their name without any push back.
Epicurus Dilemma… I also, cannot get past that
Honestly, the main reason I don’t believe in God is because I can’t believe any all-powerful, just and benevolent God would allow things like this to be said in their name without any push back.
Yep. I’ll believe in God when he starts smiting Philistines again.
Yeah, but what makes more sense is Dystheism…
"the belief that a god is not wholly good and can even be considered evil, or one and the same with Satan. Definitions of the term somewhat vary, with one author defining it as “where God decides to become malevolent”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystheism
'Kinda puts the proclamations of the church into perspective.
A malevolent god is certainly a possibility, but in that case, the absolute best thing I could do is not even acknowledge its presence.
“Organization that has repeatedly violated human dignity by organizationally exploiting children for sexual purposes (when not outright abusing and murdering them for being the wrong color), and brutally oppressing those who it declares carrying the sin of “wrong think”, thinks its allowed to have an actual opinion on the very concept of human dignity, much less what adult individuals pursue to obtain their image of it”
Welp, turns out they’re still the same old Catholic Church after all. Whoda thunk it? 🙄
The definition of what a gender entails should be vast enough that people don’t feel the need to reaffirm it with drastic medical intervention with major health risks.
Let the men wear skirts and the women go topless.
Yeah, I’m not sure that you understand what trans people experience. The core issue, at least for a number of people, is not about wearing a particular article of clothing or not, it’s that your body is wrong. That doesn’t even get into matters of neurochemistry; T is awful for many trans women and E for trans men. Telling people it’s okay to wear a skirt or go topless isn’t going to help with that - for trans masc people, going without a binder would be significantly worse. Medical intervention is merited in cases where people want medical intervention. If someone wants medical intervention, and the research shows that said intervention is the best treatment for people who want such intervention, why would we not want to give said person said intervention?
people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”
How fortunate it is that every single one of is sins and can all be forgiven, so we can just leave worrying about all that up to God, right? Right?
Or some shit. I’m an atheist, but I understand the myth better than most believers. Not that it matters because there is no logic or consistency anywhere in the doctrine, so why assume there is any in this edict?
There is sin and there are sins. One that can be forgiven, others that are not likely to…now switching gender isn’t on this list, and since there are animals thar do it on their own, I’d feel good about it. Also cursing the man isn’t a hige deal - but don’t do it - compared to cursing the Spirit. You want to live life accordingly, these comandements are probably the one christian way. By the way, the book of Exodus has many more rules which you can’t follow today, such as the burnt offerings. You’d break the law ny doing that in a normal place now. So do the other books of Moses. Have you carried a stick (read: working) on the seventh day? That’s also bad.
Modern society is by no means biblical and cannot afford to do so.
god made light so why aren’t light bulbs playing god?
A man who claims he talks to a great sky wizard says the wizard doesn’t like it when you do something that incidentally, he also does not like. He says he’s very sorry but these are the rules, and the great sky wizard will be very cross with you if you don’t follow them.
He says you’ll be burned alive for eternity and deserve it if you seek out appropriate care for psychological issues. Wait no that can’t be right can it?
I’m no expert but I think systemically raping kids and assisting those perpetrators is a slightly worse violation of human dignity
So glad they’re only blasting it and not slamming it.
the vatican can blast this dick
They’d only be interested if you were a minor
