A former Pentagon contractor works with secretive sections of US special forces, then ups and moves to Russia. He gets married, radicalizes and starts popping up on Telegram channels as the leader of a neo-Nazi terrorist group recruiting Americans.
Duh?
Who needs Russia for that? Is it because of the 4chan outage?
Is the Pope American?
Ah! I forgot this macro was actually Nicholas Cage!
Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.
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Tim Pool has entered the room.
Wearing a beanie because he’s insecure about balding.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
It’s fully documented.
Anyway now that I’ve explained how my domestic political opposition are easily manipulated, let me explain to you how everything bad that’s ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.
✅ lemmy.ml.
✅ Strawman of what I said.
✅ Posted two days after my comment, yet immediately received an upvote.Learn what a strawman is you fucking baby. It doesn’t mean when someone makes fun of what you say.
And equally you fucking baby: posts stay on ‘active’ for days on this site. Act like you’ve been here.
This isn’t for AntiOutsideAktion. This is for anyone else who stumbles on this thread, so you can be absolutely clear on what happened.
- I responded to the question posed in the headline as follows: “Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.”
My comment was accurate. Despite years of concerted effort by Russia’s defenders and proxies, their troll army is well-documented, and their targeting of right-wing idiots in the United States is equally well-documented. It happened. It’s happening now. - In response, AntiOutsideAktion said this: “Anyway now that I’ve explained how my domestic political opposition are easily manipulated, let me explain to you how everything bad that’s ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.”
That is a disingenuous and obvious strawman of what I said. I never claimed “everything bad that’s ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.” The fact that our right-wing dipshits are so easily led astray is entirely on them. - So I called him out on that.
The end. That’s what happened. And that’s why I’m not even remotely interested in his takes on anything else, and he’s going on my otherwise-mostly-empty block list after I post this comment.
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- I responded to the question posed in the headline as follows: “Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.”
Leave “Our” out of sentence to make it more accurate.
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/shockedface
One of the defining characteristics of this era is the legacy media from time to time timidly noting the possibility of something that’s been recognized as at least nearly certain down here in the trenches for months or even years.
Of course Russia is co-opting far right groups to attack western democracies. Any honest person who’s been paying attention should’ve figured that out by now - it’s not like they’ve been subtle about it or anything. And it’s been commonly recognized for months now (and less commonly asserted for years).
But at this late date, along comes the Guardian, hesitantly saying, "Um… well… you know… it might just barely be sort of possible that maybe…
It literally led to dozens of convictions in the Meuller Investigation. How anybody can be blindsided by it is beyond me.
And while their was some backlash from a few people, the majority of their fans shrugged and kept on watching them, judging by their subscriber and view counts.
Absolutely pathetic from the ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ crowd that purports to bravely face uncomfortable truths.
Is water wet?
Technically no, but we get your point.
No
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I don’t think calling these people spies is the right term anymore, considering who is in the White House right now, and I don’t mean Trump.
The Heritage Foundation began influencing U.S. policy starting in the early 80s, which is also around the time political divisions in America started becoming more polarized as standard of living for the middle class began to worsen.
The polarization that began in the 80s has gotten more and more extreme, to the point that now far-right groups are an important part of the current President’s voter base. When you look at the destruction and dismantling of the government currently underway by the administration, you have to understand, this is really not an attack on the left/DEI. Their strategy first began decades ago, long before anybody heard of DEI. First it was “multiculturalism,” then it was “political correctness,” then “wokeness,” and now the scapegoat is “DEI.”
It’s an attack on democracy and individual freedom by people in power with a lot of money, but not a lot of numbers, unless they get a group of people that are divided to fight for them, and keep them divided from “others.” Importantly, it’s actually very similar to the strategy used by oligarchs in Russia. Russian Nationalists are Putin’s biggest supporters, but instead of “DEI,” the enemy to Russian Nationalists has long been the influence of Western democracy.
Funny thing is, some of the earliest examples of Russia embracing capitalism after the collapse of the Soviet Union and creating the current government, can be traced to the Heritage Foundation. The first of its kind go between for U.S. and Russia businesses was created by a former Heritage Foundation member, Robert Krieble, who is quoted as telling another member during the 80s, “You capture the states, I’ll take the Soviet Union.”
According to a 1991 Washington Post article about the establishment of this business, Russia House, Krieble snuck equipment such as fax machines into business partners prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The original founder of the Heritage Foundation was also present at the gathering covered by the Post article.
At the inauguration of Russia House, furnished only with a lectern and radio and television microphones for the ceremony, Paul Weyrich, head of a group called Free Congress, said, “When we first went to the Soviet Union we were considered foolish. But democracy is real. The change is real.”
The Heritage Foundation member the quote was spoken to, then went on to create the State Policy Network (SPN), a network of Heritage Foundation affiliate think tanks across all 50 states, to promote Heritage Foundation policy at the state level, but disguise the think tanks as “small government” and “free market” focused.
Now, Putin actually has his own similar think tank for freedom and democracy in Germany While Russian oligarchs have become majority shareholders in Louisiana oil companies, and made donations to House Speaker Mike Johnson’s campaign.
It would seem more likely that rather than Russia playing the long game, Russia joined the Heritage Foundation’s long game long ago, and that modern day Russia may actually reflect the Heritage Foundation’s test run for the creation of a privatized corporate government.
Speaking through a translator, the Post article also provides an interesting quote from the Mayor of Moscow:
“Russia House is not financed by governments but by private people,” Mayor Popov said. “Aid in the form of commercial goods and food should not be the main effort. Aid would be over soon, and all would be as before. We need a free-market economy – but we don’t have people who can run a free market,” he said, speaking through a translator. “I told {Treasury} Secretary {Nicholas} Brady that many Americans will sign treaties with ministers – who then will disappear. Trade should be with private individuals and businesses.”
For the umpteenth time, it turns out fascism is the frontier coming home.
they have been funding it since last decade. its not a coincidence every 4 years, right wing govt starts to get a sudden boost in funding. this goes the same for white supremecy groups.
Yes they are and have been for years
Putin does everything to destabilize the west this way. It is cheaper for him to find idiots to do his dirty work in the west than to attack us.
Yep, and they promote and amplify the most extreme viewpoints on opposite sides of issues to get us fighting against each other. They didn’t create the fracture points but they’re very happy to exploit them.
Putin blames the West for the collapse of his beloved USSR. His primary motivator is to inflict the same punishment in any Western country
Well the west did send Yeltsin to kill gorbatchev’s liberal USSR. How is this different?
Well, not send, per se, he was already there, he just happened to be the man to actually push the reforms through so he was kept.
Is russia co-opting far left groups as well?
Yes
Rtrd
They have a long history of supporting both ends of the spectrum and really anyone they deem will destabilize the hegemony. Noam Chomsky used to be such a regular guest on RT he could have been considered staff back during the Iraq war. The difference is that they have had wild success with the far right to the point that no one is even really hiding it anymore. Trump and brexit being the biggest successes on the books.
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