• RealFknNito@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Whaaaat? You’re telling me that the IDF, the only ones in the region with airstrike capabilities are responsible for the three separate and highly coordinated attacks on clearly marked food aid vehicles for starving Palestinians? Surely it was Hamas, the group that would only serve to benefit from these vehicles making their way into Gaza to feed their starving people as well as themselves.

    In other news, sky blue.

  • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
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    I have learned one thing from a lot of stuff going on IRL and in the world.

    There is no god, and there is no karma. Religions are fairytale bullshit meant to keep us busy. And there is no equality in this world, and there never will be.

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      Imagine, a god out of thousands mentioned in Human history, one that creates a vast, vast universe that is about 13 billion years old. A later game star has a planet in its orbit, in its Goldilock zone, where life has been evolving for at least 350 million years… and right next to the end of that planet’s current history, a tiny group of humans, from a tribe out who knows how many others in that region thinks that said god gave them super special dominion over everyone else. Chosen, if you will.

      On top of that, a special unique claim is given to a tiny bit, a sliver of land because said god got into a literal fist fight over a stream over a whole night and suposedly made the guy who later became their leader this offer, an offer that no else saw happen… An offer that said tribe, his tribe, would use thousands of years later, with all the science and understanding we all have, to oppress people, and bomb hospitals, and volunteers who gave food to poor, starving people. Because, trust me, bro. Do not ever question the validity of the land claim, because, trust me, bro.

      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 32%3A22-31&version=NIV

    • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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      Could be,you just have to make it, Bad its gonna be real messy and not always feel good.

      And also, aside from all that, the fuckers at the top are going to try and kill you if you try, as happened here.

      If it helps, there are actually studies showing apes have toxic irrationally violent dominance behaviors when they’re perceived as being in a position of power. So the key is keeping coordination while decentralizing power.

  • filoria@lemmy.mlOP
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    Usually not the biggest fan of bellingcat because they tend to be overconfident (and often wrong as a result), but when you have a surplus of information like in this case there’s little they can deny…

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        Conflating Bellingcat with the CIA is a hilariously bad take.

        “Last year marked the final year of project funding from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) that provided funding for Russian-language workshops at no cost to journalists and human rights researchers based in Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia and the Caucasus. We continued our project for the Swedish Postcode Lottery (SPL), which among others supported free trainings on ideological extremism for organisations in Europe.”

        You seem to be misinformed. Also, provide proof that the NED is CIA, because that is quite a claim!

        That is however a claim promulgated by the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist State:

        The United States has long used democracy as a tool and a weapon to undermine democracy in the name of democracy, to incite division and confrontation, and to meddle in other countries’ internal affairs, causing catastrophic consequences.

        Link: https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx_662805/202205/t20220507_10683090.html

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          That is however a claim promulgated by the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist State:

          The United States has long used democracy as a tool and a weapon to undermine democracy in the name of democracy, to incite division and confrontation, and to meddle in other countries’ internal affairs, causing catastrophic consequences.

          Wow, thanks for letting me know that the CCP actually knows what they’re talking about on this issue

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            Yep, look at all the democracy the state department is supporting right now in Pakistan.

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              Yeah the US doesn’t support “democracy”, they support the material interests of the US. Which occasionally, but certainly not always, overlap with free democratic elections

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          According to Allen Weinstein, the founder of the NED, “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA”.

          The NED is not the CIA (and the degree of inter-agency cooperation is likely not much greater than that between the CIA and NSA), but it serves the same purpose as an arm of the US intelligence apparatus. This is indisputable, as admitted directly by the founder of the NED.

          IIRC with the pending fall of the Soviet Union (the primary counterweight to US influence) the US no longer saw a need for covertly influencing governments.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    You think?

    It was a small enough projectile that hit right directly on one small truck with enough destructive power to kill the occupants but not so much that it would completely blow up the entire vehicle.

    Can’t get any more precise than that … unless it was a sniper that would just shoot one person.

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    this was on purpose. the World Central Kitchen notified the IDF about their movement, and their vehicles were clearly marked. there is no way this was an accident. the IDF purposely killed aid workers delivering food to Gaza. if this isn’t an indicator of their genocidal intentions, i don’t know what is

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      It also wasn’t just 1 car, they hit 3 separate WCK cars 1km apart from each other. Killing 7 international aid workers.

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          The ones whose paycheck depends on believing it, yeah. Everyone that received support from AIPAC, the mainstream media, etc. They just need the thinnest excuse to parrot and somehow manage to live with themselves.

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      Worse, they purposely targeted and killed an American, and our government will still supply them weapons. Israel can do whatever the hell it wants with no punishment. I’m so disgusted at this point. Definatley not voting for Genocide Joe now.

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          I want neither of the two main options. Period. And my vote will reflect that. And if this country were sane, everyone’s vote should reflect that.

          By the way, this is NOT the way you get votes for biden. Responding to unhappy voters with “BUT TRUMP” just makes us want to stay home. Get your candidate to earn my vote if trump scares you so badly. Because the democrats will just run someone MORE abhorrent four years from now.

          I plan to flee the country if trump wins and have the means to do it. So if you’re so concerned, get the Democrats to shame their candidate into arguing for a ceasefire.

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            that’s all well and good, but one of the two will get in office no matter what. might as well suck it up and vote for the lesser evil.

            besides, you said yourself which one you’d prefer. you’d flee the country if Trump got into office, and you acknowledge that the Democrats can be shamed into doing the right thing (unlike the Republicans). if it makes the choice more palatable, think of it not as a vote for someone but a vote against someone. not voting at all is complicity.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The food charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) said they had coordinated the convoy’s movements with the Israel Defense Forces.

    In response to the strike, the IDF stated that it “is conducting a thorough review at the highest levels to understand the circumstances of this tragic incident.”

    Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday the aid workers were killed in an “unintended strike.”The destroyed vehicles bear the hallmarks of a precision strike, which only the IDF has the capability to conduct in the region.

    The WCK said: “the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the maritime route.”

    Although not possible to be certain without fragments of the munition itself, the WCK vehicles bear the hallmarks of a precision strike by inert or low-yield missiles.

    Some, called “electro-optically guided” are physically directed to their target by an operator watching a TV feed, such as the Spike NLOS.


    The original article contains 979 words, the summary contains 168 words. Saved 83%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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      I think a lot of people just think they will steal Palestine and then be satisfied, forgetting that greed, arrogance, and lebensraum know no bounds. Why would Israel want tons of fighter jets? It’s not to wipe out a million starving Palestinians in Gaza, you don’t need jets for that. And this should come as no surprise, since David Ben-Gurion said that the success of the 1948 U.N. partition plan of Palestine was part of a larger plan:

      Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

      and the early terrorist groups that established Israel and the IDF also expressly stated expansion was their aim:

      Irgun emblem. The map shows both Mandatory Palestine and the Emirate of Transjordan, which the Irgun claimed in its entirety for a future Jewish state. The acronym “Etzel” is written above the map, and “raq kach” (“only thus”) is written below.

      Fun fact about the 1948 U.N. partition plan:

      The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League and other Arab leaders and governments rejected it on the basis that in addition to the Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned a majority of the lands.[20][21] They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division,[22] arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.

      And Israel bribed, threatened, and offered loans (given by the U.S.) to countries to vote in favor of the partition plan, so anyone who supports Israel on the basis of justice or fairness really doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

      In that link, the section Reports of pressure against the Plan shows just how anti-semitic Zionism is.

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      Albeit it is impossible to know how many for certain, last time I looked into it, the claim was that they had between 4-7 nukes.

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    That makes it sound like there was any doubt. No, even they admit it. They just swear it was three precision oopses up and down a 2 kilometer stretch, on a convoy that was phoned in and clearly marked.

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    Israel has been touting the WCK as an alternative to UNRWA. This actually hurts their image. If this is indeed a precision strike, I wonder if there are competing factions within the Israeli military, with diverging agendas…

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    Anyone notice how the Israel is apologetic for killing foreign aid workers but treats the deaths of non-combatant Palestinians with complete and utter indifference?

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      Are they even apologetic? They’re just doing the classic cop thing of ‘investigating’ this incident for the next 2 years until we all forgot about this because they went on to do even worse shit.

      Look at how they slow walked the admission that they (probably purposefully) murdered Shireen Abu Akleh (Also an American citizen BTW) by first accusing Palestinians, then settling on the wild story of multiple stray bullets hitting her in the back behind cover.

      No consequences for that, and they’ve just kept escalating more and more since.

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        The Israeli president and prime minister have apologized. Not saying that’s anywhere near enough, but it is an official apologetic stance.

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        You mean the classic Israeli thing? They do this all the time. And 5 years from now when no one is paying attention they will admit it’s intentional