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- lemmy@lemmy.ml
- asklemmy@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- announcements@lemmy.ml
- lemmy@lemmy.ml
- asklemmy@lemmy.ml
Hello world,
as many of you probably already know, Lemmy is an open source project and its development is funded by donations.
Unfortunately, as is often the case, donations amounts are often going down over time if people are not aware of their necessity. When older users leave the platform they may stop donating, while new users joining will typically not be aware of this and won’t start donating to even things out or even go towards an overall increase in donations.
All of the services provided by our non-profit Fedihosting Foundation are dependent on the development of FOSS platforms, which we can host without paying any licensing or other fees, instead only being required to pay for the infrastructure cost. We are currently investing a small part (€50 each) of the donations we receive in development of Lemmy and Mastodon, but the majority of the donations we receive are used for covering infrastructure costs. We’re currently just about breaking even with the donations we receive, but it’s certainly not enough to cover a large part of Lemmy or other software development costs.
We’re looking to support sustainable software development for all the services we provide and will post similar announcements on our other platforms to promote donations towards the respective development teams in the coming days.
You can find the original announcement by @nutomic@lemmy.ml below:
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005
An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:
Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto
If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name “Luigi”.
Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.
Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can’t go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.
edit, as this was frequently brought up:
Will donations to Lemmy development go towards the operation of lemmy.ml?
It depends on the donation method used and is limited to around 2% of the minimum overall donation goal. The vast majority of donations is exclusively used for developer salaries.
lemmy.ml hosting is only financed by donations via Opencollective. All other donations go exclusively to developer salaries.
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For donations via Open Collective, yes, a tiny fraction of donations towards Lemmy development will go towards the operation of lemmy.ml. The reasons for this include that lemmy.ml is used for testing new releases and also that it’s not worth maintaining a separate donation account for the instance. Additionally, it should be noted that the money going towards lemmy.ml hosting is just a tiny fraction of the funds that are being asked for. Hosting lemmy.ml costs around €100/month, which is only 2% of the stated minimum donation goal.
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Am I wrong or is the same person making fun of the ridiculous censorship rules on Reddit while enforcing similar ridiculous censorship rules on their own .ml instance?
You are wrong.
Yeah, .ml is usually a giant circle jerk and often removes comments/posts that are critical of things like the CCP.
Lemmy the software is a net positive, but nobody should be giving money to support their extremism and love of censorship, particularly when it happens on what’s arguably the “official” instance.
Numotic and Dessalines actively cultivate very toxic content:
- Pro-Russia, blaming Ukraine as a Nazi aggressor;
- Pro-Chinese Communist Party, banning discussion of the mistreatment of the Uighur minority or the anti-democratic takeover of Hong Kong;
- Anti-Semitic, going way beyond the confines of criticism of the current Israeli government, on to hateful comments about all Israelis as a people, and sometimes Jews in general,
- Pro-Communism, at times advocating for the violent overthrow of Western governments by Marxist groups.
- Strongly in favor of left wing dictatorships, like Venezuela, decrying any discussion of human rights and democracy as capitalist propaganda.
If you disagree with these positions, too bad! Because your posts will be deleted, or you’ll get banned, or your instance defederated, from ml.
So use a different instance? You dont seen to have a problem freeloading at least?
No. Not until the people who want to genocide everyone who does not speak russian are gone from the project.
God, no. If Lemmy today is gonna be all spam of the shitheads begging for money then I guess it’s closer to death than I thought
I’ll take a grassroots donation campaign over ads any day.
There are other services that can provide what Lemmy does without supporting their admins where your money would be better off going. Or just use adblockers like an adult, lol
That’s actually been my plan, jump ship when .ml’s toxicity finally sank Lemmy, cuz I’m too lazy to do anything until shit actually happens
I use Lemmy despite these alternatives existing.
I contribute nothing in terms of development or money to these Lemmy alternatives or to Lemmy.
If ads have to come, I’ll just use adblockers “like an adult” to the detriment of other users.
How is running ads on instances supposed to fuel development costs when everyone uses an adblocker? Who cares, fuck you.
Then I’m going to go out of my way to bitch and moan about people contributing to Lemmy’s development so there’s a corner of the Internet that isn’t suffocated with corporate garbage.
$100 says you’re only here because you got booted from Reddit for shitty behavior, not unfair treatment, the rampant enshittification, or a belief that FOSS or the Fediverse are better. Just donated another $10 to compensate for your “the ‘F’ in FOSS stands for freeloading” ass.
$100 says you’re only here because you got booted from Reddit for shitty behavior, not unfair treatment, the rampant enshittification, or a belief that FOSS or the Fediverse are better
Cool, send me my money cuz you can trace this account right back to the API incident on Reddit. Nice try, dipshit
Just donated another $10 to compensate for your “the ‘F’ in FOSS stands for freeloading” ass.
Cool, waste your money, stay mad you pathetic bootlicker
Can I, though? Can I really trace it?
I’ve told the story before: told an admin on Reddit calling anyone who played Hogwarts: Legacy transphobic an idiot
That was months before the API disaster, I had been using an alt for quite a while
That’s also not this account, which is the one I was talking about. What’s up with the people in my replies doing absolutely 0 fucking thinking today?
Surely you can see how ridiculous you sound.
“i don’t want to support the open source, non-ad driven platform that won’t harvest and sell my data. So I’m going to go to platforms that do that and try to dodge their attempts instead.”
Let’s ignore the fact that you are probably not good enough to get away with what you think you are (an ad blocker is not going to give you real privacy), you really don’t see the benefit to having a platform that just… Doesn’t do that shit?
If that’s not the case, then leave. But don’t sit here and try to spike attempts at making this sustainable.
Personal anecdote: after going vegan a few years ago, a lot of criticisms of veganism I’ve seen have taught me that these kinds of holier-than-thou attacks of less-than-perfect action often come from people who don’t want to take any action themselves.
The cognitive dissonance arises that the people taking action feel good about what they’re doing, and they suddenly feel deep down like they could be doing something wrong by not taking action. To resolve it, in lieu of taking action, they justify why they shouldn’t, usually “well that’s not literally perfect, so actually why should I should do anything?” Meanwhile, the people taking the less-than-perfect action are even more painfully aware of its flaws but are putting in the work to do better than they would’ve been otherwise.
This is definitely a good comparison!
FWIW: I hate seeing all the mockery vegan people get. I think a lot of people project this idea that you all think you’re superior, when ultimately you’re just making a decision that inconveniences you more than anybody else.
Putting a lot of words in my mouth there, bud
My problem is with this specific platforms owners, and I never advocated for the alternative of corp sites
Calm down and think for 3 seconds next time
Calm down and think for 3 seconds next time
If you just leave this bullshit our of your replies, nobody would think you’re a raging, idiot narcissist. Write and then delete it, if that makes you feel better, but nobody is ever going to engage with you in good faith while you act like this.
If you just leave this bullshit our of your replies, nobody would think you’re a raging, idiot narcissist
If you think I’m that because of the reply to the guy who wanted about me based on nothing that’s a you problem, homie
but nobody is ever going to engage with you in good faith while you act like this.
They already weren’t, as you already saw, guy just made a whole AU fanfic about me. Not surprising, they do shit like that regularly according to the user note I have
You know telling people to calm down is inherently antagonistic and doesn’t cool off the conversation so how about you stop and think for 3 seconds next time before bashing your face into your keyboard and gracing us with whatever inane bullshit dumps out of your head.
You know telling people to calm down is inherently antagonistic
Says the dickwad calling me ridiculous and rambling about whatever came to their mind
Someone’s mad I called out their shitty take, whine harder
I’m fine. You seem rather angry. You should calm down.
Then jump
Does it look like it’s sunk? I get that you .ml people aren’t the brightest bulbs in the box but you can usually do better than that
^ the non-toxic instance users, everyone
You’re concern trolling and wrecking in multiple donations threads created to support the platform and the devs who created it. You can just leave and join one of the alternatives instead.
Careful, someone might see that and say that your observation does not mater because your from .ml
.ml is needed for development. I’d support its existence even if I’d rather defederate.
.ml is needed for development
An instance is, it does not have to be theirs or run the way they do
Sounds like a really good reason to not make that incredibly important test instance so shitty and toxic then, but that’s the choice they made.
I know your not from .world, but if we are talking about toxic instances, in my experence the worst ones have been beehaw and world.
Holy shit, from your comment history it does not surprise me at all that you think that.
I mean, that’s a fundamental part of many open source projects. I recently got an email from a few asking for the same because of economic troubles, and many people are feeling the squeeze right now and cut their donations first.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that a project is about to fail. But it’s often the case that with better support, they could aspire to do more.
Spamming the entire page of every instance is not a fundamental part of FOSS projects, and is just another example of the dogshit Lemmy devs being dogshit
You do realise that it was each instance admin that posted outside of .ml They only posted once. I feel like this is obvious, but posting once and having others cross post is not spamming
they either have insane funding and no releases, or low to no funding and constant releases lol
Look frankly I don’t love this, but how the hell else do you expect this to get done? We can’t just expect people to work for free all the time in a predominantly capitalist world. They have to eat.
Are you developing the platform? Do you have another idea for How to pay their bills?
but how the hell else do you expect this to get done?
I dont, specifically because of who the money goes to
We can’t just expect people to work for free all the time in a predominantly capitalist world. They have to eat.
They can also just not continue development if they don’t get the money. That’s a fine option, too
Are you developing the platform? Do you have another idea for How to pay their bills?
No, and many, but it’s also not my concern at all given the shitstains the developers are
If they stop development this all dies.
Oh no! Not like there are alternatives we could swap to immediately!
Lemmy is the vast majority of Reddit-like community. Mbin is fledgling, Kbin is dead. A few others puttering around.
It wouldn’t necessarily be the end of the world, but that’s a pretty fucking hard reset if Lemmy collapses. There are a lot of of us here who really like being here.
they expect other ppl to tap in, they think they are stopping other ppl from helping lol
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613
I’ll donate money to individual instances, but for as long as Nutomic/Dessalines is in charge of the .ml instance I will not be donating to them.
Not judging and correct me if I got it wrong. You like Lemmy and want to support it but you personally don’t like the developers of Lemmy?
I don’t like what they’re doing, they are actively using their positions and instances position of influence to push harmful propaganda, misinformation, censor opinions critical of it and all the while turning a blind/lenient eye to what their users do if they consider them to be ideologically aligned with them.
If they actually surrendered .ml admin duties to a more balanced team that actually allowed non-Tankie mods to well mod, I would reconsider donating.
While I consider their “ideology” to be harmful, if they stopped trying to “infuse” Lemmy with it and separated their work from their personal politics it would satisfy a lot of concerns
Thank you. Seems I was correct then.
How do they exploit their position as devs to push their political agenda? Do they add something to the code that gives them some exclusive benefits?
If you mean they just host their own instance, isn’t it the whole point of Lemmy and what all the other instances are doing? Some even block other instances that do not match their political bias to not ruin their echo chamber. I mean I’m on lemmy.world which probably would be more accurately named lemmy.ultra.left.usa for some time now.
I fully understand you not wanting to support lemmy.ml financially and want to point out that only one donation method is used to help hosting it, all the others will not benefit lemmy.ml exclusively but will benefit all the other instances and lemmy as a whole.
How do they exploit their position as devs to push their political agenda? Do they add something to the code that gives them some exclusive benefits?
Look at how the .ml instance is positioned. People will hear “That instance is run by the devs and all support and other official development comms are on it” and will automatically gravitate to it and the reputation of Lemmy as a whole becomes tied to it. And other instances are hesitant to defed from it because of that.
So now the devs are in a defacto position of influence, regardless of if they want it or not. Now they have a choice, they can moderate it fairly and unbiased (i.e. not using it to further their personal politics) or separate its day to day operations to another admin team. As another commentator in this thread put it “The devs should do dev work and not mod work, and the admin team should do mod work and not dev work”
They’ve already proven that they cant do the first choice so now the only viable option is the second one, which they’re probably not gonna address.
If you mean they just host their own instance, isn’t it the whole point of Lemmy and what all the other instances are doing? Some even block other instances that do not match their political bias to not ruin their echo chamber. I mean I’m on lemmy.world which probably would be more accurately named lemmy.ultra.left.usa for some time now.
Because of my first point, they tied all sorts of official development stuff to .ml, many instances don’t want to defederate because of that and the perception (it doesn’t really hold when you look at MAUs) that they have the biggest comms on lemmy, it’s almost akin to holding them hostage in my eyes “if you or your mods want official on-lemmy lemmy support, official announcements or access to Lemmys BIGGEST comms then you HAVE to stay federated with us!”
Things would be different if they were just running a personal instance with no official Lemmy anything on it, then it would be much easier for instances to make a defederation decision, just like the rest of the triad
Donating to Lemmy development is a donation to .ml. They make it that way. If you don’t want to donate to an authoritarian instance, then you can’t donate to development. It’s not very complicated.
How so when they specifically say only one type of donations will go to the ml?
That’s a lie you are free to run your own instance
Yikes, this is big for me. I love Lemmy but I have strong aversions against funding bad politics, even if they aren’t politicians.
What kind of views and ideologies are they pushing? Also are they a couple or something?
Putn is right, ukranians are nazis so all crimes against them are in dact blessings. Baltics are next and all need to die for being under german occupation in the past. Don’t you dare critisize agent kresnov! Etc etc. vile crimes against humanity shit, homophobia and anti lgbtq propaganda.
People who want russia to dominate the world.
Are you saying the developers of Lemmy are of these opinions?! If so, that’s absolutely horrible. I want to support the development of Lemmy, but I want to do the opposite of supporting people like that! I want to take money from people like that!
Feel free to check “MeanwhileOnGrad” yourself.
I’m scared. Is that a community?
Just linkifying this for mobile users: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
This is, unfortunately, the necessary view to take. Lemmy the software is a net positive, but nobody should be giving money to support their extremism and love of censorship, particularly when it happens on what’s arguably the “official” instance.
Numotic and Dessalines actively cultivate very toxic content:
- Pro-Russia, blaming Ukraine as a Nazi aggressor;
- Pro-Chinese Communist Party, banning discussion of the mistreatment of the Uighur minority or the anti-democratic takeover of Hong Kong;
- Anti-Semitic, going way beyond the confines of criticism of the current Israeli government, on to hateful comments about all Israelis as a people, and sometimes Jews in general,
- Pro-Communism, at times advocating for the violent overthrow of Western governments by Marxist groups.
- Strongly in favor of left wing dictatorships, like Venezuela, decrying any discussion of human rights and democracy as capitalist propaganda.
If you disagree with these positions, too bad! Because your posts will be deleted, or you’ll get banned, or your instance defederated, from ml.
For those with decision paralysis, Liberapay is a great choice. They’re a France-based non-profit which is itself run off of donations which it crowdfunds on its own platforn (pretty based tbh), and the site itself is FOSS.
How does one AVOID funding .ml?
lemmy.ml is already entirely funded, your donations go entirely to our salaries.
As much as I dislike a lot of .ml, it costs like €30/month to run. Not much of your money would be going to it.
donating to lemmy helps every other instance much more than it helps .ml.
As someone else pointed out the donation would also fund .ml moderation time not only the development
My employer funds my shitposting here on Lemmy, the only difference is they aren’t aware of it.
As unpalatable what they do in their free time is, I think you have to draw the line somewhere on what you’re okay with supporting. I don’t think it’s okay, for example, for a delivery driver for a brewing company to be fired for drinking a different brand of beer, but it is okay for him to be fired for assaulting someone while on the company clock. Where this line is drawn is going to vary from person to person. I personally would be happier if they had a clearer separation of their personal and professional activities. I’m not sure if I will donate to them or not at this point. I have donated to my instance, which doesn’t appear to pass donations on to the developers, which means I will have to actively make a decision for where I stand on this 😬. It would be easier if their test bed didn’t also promote their unpalatable views.
Yeah idk where to draw like with ml and lemmygrad. To me these are clear net negative on humanity but Lemmy itself got enough traction from sane people to kinda counter balance that.
are clear net negative on humanity
oh please, cry me a river
I’m mixed. On one hand, absolutely fuck .ml and tankies. On the other, these guys have done great work. The way it’s set up, Lemmy is not at all beholden to their ideology. We can take it over at any time, and any further work they do benefits all of us, and that can’t be taken away.
As a fellow developer, I truly believe Rust is the way to go for high pressure, high scaling software. I don’t think LW alone could run off of your average python. EVE Online is a great example of that. They pushed python forward to meet their high demand needs, and still had to incorporate a lot of C++. Reddit has had teams of engineers over decades, and in the long run I expect Lemmy to be more efficient. In my professional opinion, this kind of scaling can’t be reasonably done with any garbage collected language.
My other concern is with sanctions. Are these guys in Russia? Is it legal to donate to them? If you’re paying by check or credit card, those institutions will take care of following the law for you.
Overall, I’d encourage people to donate. Open software benefits everyone and any work they do for us is public and can never be taken back.
My other concern is with sanctions. Are these guys in Russia? Is it legal to donate to them? If you’re paying by check or credit card, those institutions will take care of following the law for you.
I’m 99.99% sure they’re not in Russia. I feel like I’ve read they’re in the Netherlands but that needs fact checking.
To my knowledge are the lemmy.world guys from the netherlands. At least the 2 admins. And the FediHosting Foundation lemmy.world (and e.g. mastodon.world, etc) belongs to is in the Netherlands.
No idea about dessalines though. but i don’t think russia either.
our foundation is in NL, because that’s where @ruud@lemmy.world is located, but the active admin and infra team members are distributed across the world with members in Netherlands, Germany and USA currently.
Thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it.
As a developer, would you test on production though? I’m not a professional developer. However I’m quite familiar with it. Family developing and IT for massive companies. You don’t need real people to generate traffic. You just don’t. Lemmy.ml being the test server is a selfish bullshit excuse.
Not primarily, of course. You have a local and QA instance, but some things only come out at real scale or with real data. You can’t think of everything to have it added to testing. Having your own, real instance that gets to serve as beta and accessible telemetry really helps.
LW functions at the opposite end of the spectrum. They try to maintain the most stability, which also makes sense.
Absolutely, and generally; those come out under different hardware and software combinations on other people’s deployed systems. Not your dev system.
Yes LW operates at the opposite end of the spectrum. I’d donate to them if they need it. Because they’re professional. Whereas the devs of Lenny are unprofessional and dishonest. There’s no excuse for their behavior. If they can’t afford proper testing systems. Then ask for donations for that. Both hardware, software or funds. I’m sure it’d get thrown at them in spades. Or at least way better than demanding everyone swallow away poison pill at the same time. This oh you must accept funding Lemmy ml as an unprofessional contraversial Echo chamber/hobby. Won’t work for a lot of people for good reason.
lemmy.ml is not the primary test server.
there are multiple dedicated test instances that are used for development purposes.
testing on lemmy.ml is mostly happening for release candidates that require actual user activity to find remaining bugs, at the point where it’s getting close to a proper release.
Would it be fair to describe it as “lemmy.ml is the beta test server, while there’s an internal server for alpha testing”?
Whether it’s the primary or not doesn’t really change things.
It could just as easily be rolled out to a select circle of instances that wish to help with the testing, as many other foss projects do. Funding them developing it is one thing. Funding such a bad echo chamber another. This ethical and image problem is what will stop adoption of the software, and is already driving plenty of people away. Or to mbin/kbin, pifed, miskey etc. There are plenty of people I would not recommend Lemmy to because of these issues. It is unfortunately however their repo and codebase to mismanage. And our money not to donate.
Give your money to any other product or service
If they want money for Lemmy then they can step down or stop being shitty mode
lmao what does step down even mean anyone can fork it and start working on it
getting traction for a fork is never that simple. as of now there is not the kind of consensus that you look for at fork time that leadership needs to change. but the groundswell is growing
Addressed this in an edited-in second paragraph. Answer is “unfortunately, you can’t” unless you wish to fork Lemmy. But as someone who’s sickened to my core by tankie ideas, I still think funding this piece of FOSS is by far the lesser evil, I think I make a compelling argument for it, and I do think the Lemmy team do good work on the software side.
If I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil, I need to follow that same principle when it’s not just my vote I’m casting but where I’m putting my time and money.
As far as I know their politics and views have had zero impact on the code.
As far as I know their politics and views have had zero impact on the code.
Adding to what Cowbee said, general anticapitalist politics were the motivation for their effort and the reason it is not a for-profit exploitative service. They don’t want or need to put in addictive features or ads to profit or appease venture capital, and that’s no coincidence, it’s a decision resulting from their political beliefs.
But yes, their more specific personal political views don’t really impact the code and haven’t prevented others from using it freely.
That’s actually impossible. Politics is a question of systems engineering. Programming is a question of systems engineering. Creating propaganda is a matter of creating and disseminating information in a particular way. Coding is a matter of creating and disseminating information in a particular way. A person’s outlook will always influence the programs they design, the platforms they build, and the algorithms they tune.
Sure, but if this is basically paying them to make this their job, I don’t want their job to be modding/admin’ing their instance. I don’t want to pay them to platform tankies and ban others in such a direct fashion.
Almost true, being Communists has certainly influenced the reasons for Lemmy as a federated, anticapitalist alternative to Reddit to begin with.
I don’t mind communists/socialists. I largely agree with them. I do mind tankies.
I am not a tankie and its annoying to be called like that all the time.
Did not call you specially a tankie. But ml has a lot of tankies.
“Tankie” is the same as “pinko” and “commie,” it’s just a pejorative for those who support Socialist countries. The major views of the Marxists on Lemmy are in line with the views of various Communist parties worldwide.
Socialist countries are Norway and Denmark.
No it absolutely is not.
Simply not true. “Tankie” is NOT the same as “Pinko” or “Commie.” There are 2 major strains of communist political thought. There’s authoritarian communism and anarchocommunism. Anarchocommunists are Marxist, authoritarian communists are Marxist-Leninist (or bolshevik, or Stalinist). I DO agree with you that the major views of Marxists on Lemmy are in line with the views of various communist parties worldwide, but I DO NOT agree that these communist parties that people like you are aligned with are either the totality of communist thought, or representative of how all communists think. When a communist like me calls a communist like you a tankie, it’s because when I look at the history of authoritarian communism, I notice a pattern of suffering and stratification amongst the populace. The USSR exploited labor and was, ultimately, a capitalist nationalist imperialist colonial state.
And before you go saying I support liberalism, I do not. There is not a binary between USSR style communism and American style capitalism. When you get down to it, they are in effect means to the same end. A system of enriching a central cabal of power authority at the cost of the average global citizen.
So in summary. “Tankie” is not a label that right wingers apply to discredit leftist thought. It’s a label left wingers use to discredit right wing thought masquerading as left wing thought.
Good point. Also worth remembering that for all the complaints about abuse of power by mods, not only is the federated nature of Lemmy intended to give an opportunity for people to move off of instances with policies they don’t like, but the open modlog also exists as a measure of full transparency.
Both great features implemented by these very developers.
Exactly, which is why spending time on instance drama is silly. Federation and defederation are tools, along with personal blocking, for a reason.
Entirely true, but as I said, it seems that a small proportion of whatever’s donated goes to the server costs of .ml since it’s run by Lemmy’s maintainers. It’s understandable and even a good thing to be put off by that.
Thanks for contributing! It’s sad to see so many people focus on unnecessary drama
Why not just use Reddit then instead of focusing on some drama about the CEO and how they handle moderation?
We’re not under the administrative control of any of Lemmy’s developers as far as I’m aware, unless you’re suggesting that Lemmy’s federation is a facade and every instance’s administration is secretly a tankie puppet government who are just really, really, imperceptibly subtle about it.
The purity testing and holier-than-thou attacks going on in these fundraising threads are truly counterproductive. We’re not strong enough as an ecosystem and community yet to be able to afford this luxury. If this is coming from the left, I think you should consider the larger goal here.
I used to put up $50/mo to Hexbear, until they banned me for defending the DSA.
So far, the politics on this community have been dogshit. But the moderation has been generally fair, friendly, and functional. To you, I say, Shut Up and Take My Money. Thanks for letting me continue my shitposting habits, even if we’ve agreed to disagree.
Not while the devs run a pro-genocide echo chamber. Tankie punks fuck off.
More than happy to monetarily support this amazing open source project with monthly contributions! Thank you to all the devs involved in running this platform
Is it possible donate to Lemmy development without contributing to Lemmy.ml?
The comments are a full microcosm showcasing why Lemmy will stay underground and it will never overtake reddit
Nah.
ml can shit itself and rot. So can the rest of Lemmy if that’s not a price that’s worth being paid.
thanks to those who donate and keep this place running, cuz I can’t right now :)
I’m skint sorry
Currently donating $5 a month to lemmy.world. I’ll continue for the foreseeable future.
