JK Rowling has challenged Scotland’s new hate crime law in a series of social media posts - inviting police to arrest her if they believe she has committed an offence.
The Harry Potter author, who lives in Edinburgh, described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures.
She said “freedom of speech and belief” was at an end if accurate description of biological sex was outlawed.
Earlier, Scotland’s first minister Humza Yousaf said the new law would deal with a “rising tide of hatred”.
The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 creates a new crime of “stirring up hatred” relating to age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or being intersex.
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Ms Rowling, who has long been a critic of some trans activism, posted on X on the day the new legislation came into force.
… so arrest her?
I’m utterly befuddled by this woman; somehow she hates the idea of trans women so much that she’s now closely allied with Posie Parker, a woman who hates women, hates suffrage, has advocated for the removal of women’s rights for years, and shares closely held opinions from just right of Goebbels.
Somehow Jo has become so utterly single-minded, she’s paired with the antithesis of all the other things she believes in (and still claims to believe as justification of her anti-trans nonsense).
Hasn’t she literally been banned from Germany for publicly denying the holocaust?
I didn’t find anything in regards to that but, I did find an interesting timeline article of the more controversial actions done here Granted it’s a commercial site and doesn’t contain sources, but everything is dated so could be fact checked if someone wanted to.
I did not find any source about her being banned from Germany, I only saw some controversy about some tweets that some people call holocaust denial.
that some people call holocaust denial.
“Some people” being anyone who isn’t a fucking bigot.
This is what she denied happened.
That is holocaust denial.
Don’t give me that “some people” bullshit. Any decent person would agree that denying that happened is holocaust denial.
I mean, I didn’t know this stuff even happened, I literally skimmed search results and what I found is a few articles calling something she said holocaust denial. Hence “some” people. I did not express any judgment on the merit of her claims, I am personally not interested.
No need to be aggressive.
Expressing judgment on the merits of the claims of a Holocaust denier is something you should be doing and something you should be interested in.
Apathy is not much better than direct support.
Sorry, you don’t get to say what I should or should not be interested in. I am not interested in what a celebrity says in a tweet, otherwise I would spend most of my time doing pointless arguments there.
I’m afraid I do I get to say what anyone short or should not be interested in, which is why I said it and was not stopped from doing so or had my comment deleted.
Maybe you don’t agree that you should be interested in someone fomenting genocide and denying a previous genocide, but I still get to say you should.
Not agreeing, however, would suggest that you’re not especially interested in doing anything about an ongoing genocide. So I hope that’s okay with you.
I’m afraid I do I get to say what anyone short or should not be interested in, which is why I said it and was not stopped from doing so or had my comment deleted.
Ok, this is purely a rhetorical linguistic argument, not particularly interesting either, ironically. Sure, you can say whatever you want, but you have no moral or any other authority to actually dictate what other people should be interested in. You can say whatever you want about what the penalty should be in a trial, but you don’t get to sentence anybody, to make an analogy. Thankfully, I add.
Not agreeing, however, would suggest that you’re not especially interested in doing anything about an ongoing genocide. So I hope that’s okay with you.
It is OK with me. There are many problems in the world, and it’s necessary to establish a hierarchy among them given our will power and mental energy is finite. Also, I disagree with your premises and therefore my characterization of the problem makes it hierarchically less important than other problems, such as the war in Ukraine or the environmental disaster.
Guilt tripping people is also not a great strategy to involve them in a cause, but if you want we can start digging to draft a very long list of atrocities that are happening in the world right now and that you (nor I) don’t care about.
Not only some people. The German law book is very clear about what constitutes holocaust denying and what now. Diminishing parts of the holocausts, such as claiming one group wasn’t targeted or wasn’t targeted as much is holocaust denial under that law.
Thanks for the specification. That said, what’s wrong with “some people”? It’s the second comment that jumps on that word as if it diminishes the argument. “Some” is purely a quantifier which I used because clearly not everyone is calling her like that, and this was - in fact - a niche news that a few articles spoke about.
Does the German law even applies here? Is there some formal recognition that can be used instead of relying on people’s opinion? I didn’t find anything, but if that were the case then she would be recognized by the German court/state as such.
Thanks for the specification. That said, what’s wrong with “some people”? It’s the second comment that jumps on that word as if it diminishes the argument. “Some” is purely a quantifier which I used because clearly not everyone is calling her like that, and this was - in fact - a niche news that a few articles spoke about.
For me a German law about the Holocaust just is more important than what some people say. It’s just so very vague. It reminds me a bit off Trump when he spouts some utter bullshit “some people” have said to him. That of course doesn’t mean that I think you said it in such an intention.
And no, the German law of course only applies to people in Germany. Now what would happen if Rowling would set foot in Germany would be interesting, but I don’t think even then much would happen. Nevertheless I think the German legal view on such speech IMHO is a good indication of it’s intention. After all Germany is one of the few countries who put in a serious effort in critically reflect on a very dark spot in their past. That’s something a lot of other countries could learn quite a bit.
And again, I really don’t think your choice of words were wrong in any way, my comment aimed to further elaborate on the topic and not criticise. I’m sorry if it came over in a different way.
After all Germany is one of the few countries who put in a serious effort in critically reflect on a very dark spot in their past. That’s something a lot of other countries could learn quite a bit
I fully agree with this, especially in the US, going through the school system and then the post education system, every “bad” action of the country was either skipped or downplayed significantly.
For example, they barely touched on the Vietnam war, and what little they did never mentioned anything that was controversial or inhumane such as the My Lai massacre, it was always what the “other side” did looking in.
What little I did learn about more nefarious acts were from my grandfather who was a history teacher, they just don’t bring it up anymore.
I get that shameful acts like that make the country look bad but not teaching the bad side and only showing the good side is counterproductive to setting up a healthy Viewpoint of the rest of the world. Not to mention disrespectful to anyone who is involved in the conflicts.
Scotland was literally willing to leave the UK over this. I wouldn’t be putting money on Joanne to come out on top here.
She probably has more surplus cash for lawyers than the Scottish Government.
Please do. She may see herself as some kind of martyr, but everyone else just sees her as an idiot.
I look forward to the pending arrest video, where she is suddenly all apologetic and saying sorry, and not understanding why they won’t let her go because she just said sorry to them.
I’m sorry, I thought this was America.
I’m sorry, I thought this was
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I love that episode.
The same law that prohibits hatred towards transgenders also prohits it towards age discriination. (“stirring up hatred” relating to age, disability etc).
Does this mean you can’t call me a boomer any longer?
Why are some people so determined to be pieces of shit?
What are you going to do about it?
Well…nothing, lol.
And now we know why they think they can get away with it
What exactly do you expect a random Lemmy poster to do about J. K. Rowling?
Pirating her products instead buying them would be a start and in brand.
Why are you assuming the person you were criticizing for letting her get away with this has ever bought a single one of her books or any other Harry Potter products? I haven’t. It doesn’t interest me. Am I letting her get away with it? Is the only way to not let her get away with it to pirate her books that I wasn’t planning to read in the first place?
Guess you need to take the next step and cyberbully her supporters then
I hear piracy is theft so we can pirate her books a billion times and watch her go bankrupt
I’m not from Ireland or the UK, not a consumer for her products, and don’t know her personally. What do you propose I do about her shitty behavior?
I’m neither Scottish, nor Brittish, nor would I buy her shit anyway. Short of taking a trip to the UK just to punch her face, what else is there to do?
Offer free drinks to anyone who does.
Pirate her works?
Why bother with it at all? Its so overrated.
You don’t get rich being nice.
Even if you did (like you won the big lottery or something). Being rich turns people into assholes too. Your ego inflates massively.
Theres actually a body of research here, abd its so much fucking worse. Researcher I remember is named piff, look some up; its fucking wild.
Because its the only way they know how to relate to others or have any concept of themselves, being wealthy makes you a vicious sadistic piece if shit¹, and picking on the weak gives a slight emotional high, especially if you’ve got an audience.
¹not just humans; all apes suck like this.
She likes the attention. She had it once. But she blew her load and now there’s no more creativity. So she gets it in other ways.
The rich aren’t people, dear.
I predict that when she doesn’t get arrested, she will continue to whine about it. Much like Jordan Peterson and the bill in Canada.
Rowling quote from the article:
Scottish lawmakers seem to have placed higher value on the feelings of men performing their idea of femaleness, however misogynistically or opportunistically, than on the rights and freedoms of actual women and girls.
It’s difficult to accept that someone I used to respect could say such hateful things about people like me. I’m not gonna lie, it hurts to read. What the fuck, Joanne? Is that all I am to you… just a man “performing” my idea of femaleness? Well, fuck you, then. Should I wish for you to feel the same pain you’ve inflicted on others? To be honest, judging by your “performance” in the media the past several years, I don’t think you’re resilient enough to survive it.
It sucks when your heros let you down. There was a guy I really admired and I worked with. When his wife was in the hospital he cheated on her. Couldn’t see him the same way again.
Sorry she sucks so very hard and is not only a disappointment actively hostile.
I am not sure she entirelly referes to you. It refers to people abusing transexuality to achieve other dreams or more dreams than just being themselves. At least this is how I understand her argumentations.
Fuck that shit. She doesn’t make any such distinction in her hate tirades. It’s very easy to find many tweets and similar quotes of her speaking about transsexual people as a whole. So yeah, she very much has spoken about OP as well. And she’s a freaking author, she doesn’t get any excuses for not knowing how to write more specifically. She knows very well what she says and who it will affect when she generalises all transsexual people. And it for damn sure isn’t some imaginary group or predators willing to go through all the hassle of being trans to prey on women but the trans community as a whole.
Yeah it is understandable that you would understand it that way. Unfortunately, that’s not really what her whole stance is. She goes beyond that and tells the people that protections for all trans people (trans women in particular) should be rolled back. Take, for instance, her stance on trans women in prisons. She says all trans women should be put in mens’ prisons. However, many trans women who are put in mens’ prisons are often sexually abused (source will come if I remember)
All in all, she is a raging transphobe and is buddies with even homophobic figures. I personally find this list of her transphobia quite damning.
ahh yes trans people, a historically privileged class that millions of people are pretending to be to get :checks notes: hormone treatment
So wait, did you wish her the pain or no?
Sounds to me they were admitting to being human and thought about it, but dont really want to give in to a harmful base impulse like that… to me?
I’m just trying to clarify their final position.
Feels more like youre trying to twist somebody’s emotional statement of disappointment into something that might get them banned. Can I offer you this fine Patagonia fleece and some Oakley sunglasses?
That wouldn’t get anyone banned though.
As evidenced by me saying: ‘I wish harm to JK Rowling’.
Also I legitimately don’t understand your last question.
I would like a fine patagonia fleece. I dont like the way oakleys fit my face, but if they are free and i can sell/re-gift them then i will not turn them down.
Unless this is reference to something that i dont understand.
Think about it for a moment, dear. Who dresses that way?
I can honestly say i have no idea.
Outdoors type people? South Americans? Oak trees?
Thats as far as i can get by thinking about it. You are gonna have to spell it out, because a patagonia fleece and some oakleys are not a stereotype i am aware of.
Why? We have no reason to believe the person you are grilling has any capability of harming JK Rowling, so grilling someone who’s hurt that someone they grew up reading turned out to be shitty for no real purpose
Hate is the keyword here, stating something factual is fine but as we all know someone somewhere will misuse this act if they are butthurt enough
Who knewa serial plagiarist would be a shit person
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Trans people exist and deserve, like anyone, to be treated with dignity and respect. Get the fuck over it.
Ugh.
If only they would get over it and agree that trans people have the right to exist or believe they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
Unfortunately, they don’t seem to have an issue with there being (at least) two classes of homo sapiens, one lesser than the other and thus not deserving of any dignity or respect.
There is, of course, homo superior, but I don’t foresee Professor X swooping in to settle this argument, what with the whole “saving the world” shtick.
Although, to be honest, the world could use a bit of saving right now.
PS: I hope you’re doing well, and getting through Sophie‘s Choice. I’ve heard it’s a tough read, especially after surviving a game of Presidential Election Scrabble…💋💋💋
I’m surviving somehow. I could tell you some crazy mother stories, but I don’t want to write a novel.
you totally wanna write a novel about your mom
Not unusual. Most men have a Freudian streak.
I’m glad you didn’t say Oedipal, because right now, all I want to do is murder her.
We had this conversation not too long ago-
“I thought the Mayo Clinic was going to be like the ER, where a whole team of doctors works on you at once.”
“Mom, I’ve been in the ER four times in the last year. They don’t do that there.”
“Yes they do, I’ve seen the shows!”
I have epilepsy. A special type of epilepsy. A type of epilepsy they didn’t know existed when I was “diagnosed” with it.
For the doctors - teams of neurologists and neuropsychologists - to treat me, the best option in 1991, after my drowning accident and subsequent TBI was a new study at Boston Children’s Hospital. For months, almost a year since the “accident”, doctors had run me through a course of medications meant to control my seizures, but none worked. I was desperate. My parents were desperate. We were willing to try anything.
For two weeks in March, during spring break, in 1992 and 1993, I went to the long-term monitoring unit at Boston Children’s Hospital and participated in a study where I had over 100 EEG leads glued to my head and they tested various different drugs on us to determine which ones would - or even could - control our seizures.
They discovered that, quite logically, that when someone has damage to a particular part of the brain (in my case, the frontal temporal lobe), seizures can be managed by giving the patient medication made to treat problems endemic to that region of the brain— in my case, either mood stabilizers or meds for migraines/cluster headaches.
I learned a long time ago that my time in a hospital, around doctors, going through a lot of uncomfortable and even scary procedures can really pay off in the end— and can even help countless others for the effort.
So don’t fret, buddy. You’re in good hands. I know the strain and pressure of being in a tough place with medical issues. Just be glad it’s 2024 and. O time before.
Best wishes!
Thanks! I’m glad I didn’t go through something like that as a kid. It must have been super rough. I can handle it a lot better in my mid-40s I’m sure.
I’m glad that Harry Potter wasn’t my favourite series growing up, knowing how bad of a person she is. With that said, it’s still possible to separate the art from the artist, so it’s okay either way but personally I just feel better knowing it wasn’t my number one favourite series growing up.
