The monotheistic all powerful one.

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    If there exists a place outside time, then the only way to travel there is to already be there, and if you are there, you can never leave.

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      The measurement of time, the measurement of the constant of change, is very different than our experience of time. For example, you never experienced a past, you experienced Now measured as the Present, just as you are currently experiencing Now measured as the Present, and will not experience the future, it will be Now measured as the Present. All you have ever experienced is a perpetual fixed Now. This is true for all of us. All measurements of time occur within a fixed Now, so we can say all time is Now.

      Depending on certain spiritual views, what we call the Now is also called the “I Am”, or consciousness, or awareness, etc. This “I Am” is intangible and exists outside of time, therefore, depending on your spiritual beliefs, you are the object, existing in a place outside of time, and are already there, and have never left.

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        This just broke my brain. I might need to read about this for hours now. Good bye.

        Jokes aside! Thank you very much. This was most interesting!

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        This could be assuming there’s only one timeline we’re currently inhabiting. There could be nested meta times or spacetimes encompassing the universe, leaving us in a series of overlapping Nows. Or maybe the forward passage of time and causality end up only being true locally, and in other places in the cosmos time can run in loops or backwards or not at all. In that case Now could mean different things to different observers depending where and when you are.

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    I like George Carlin’s version: “If God is all powerful, can he make a rock so big that he himself can’t lift it?”

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      Weird attribution, man :) That one, and a lot of others like it, come all the way from the 12th Century and thereabouts. Carlin’s influence is awesome and deserved, but I don’t think it stretches that far :)

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          "All of the “is infinite power so powerful that it could overpower its own power” type questions just annoy me.

          Is infinite power so powerful it can do something that it can’t do?

          Yes it can. And then it can do that anyway. Otherwise it wouldn’t be infinite."

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    There are two kinds of people in the world - those who think there are two kinds of people in the world and those who know better.

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      There are 10 kinds of people in the world — those who understand binary and those who don’t.

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        Right, but it’s not a paradox - it’s a conundrum. It’s not just that the person saying it is part of the first group, but that they necessarily are.

        Since people want to believe that they “know better,” there’s a strong urge to count oneself among the second group, which immediately places one in the first.

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    Fermi’s Paradox. There are so many stars (more than there are grains of sand on earth), that the probablility that one of them has life, and even intelligent life, is >99% . So why haven’t we observed it yet? Cue a lot of brilliant people trying to answer that question.

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      The space is

      REALLY

      Fucking YUUUUUUGE

      What you observe of the universe died a really long time ago, it’s improbable that other intelligent life in the universe can observe us and the same with us.

      We could be multiple galaxies away from each other and never ever know of each other.

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        Not really. The paradox is based on the idea that there are so many stars that even if an infinitesimal portion have intelligent life who have discovered radio, the universe would be much noisier than it is.

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      Space is big, light is slow, and the inverse square law is a thing. You think we’ve been pumping out radio broadcasts for hundreds of years and nobody has contacted us yet, but we’re only detectable to life within 200 lightyears if they’re specifically looking for the signals we pump out, and they’re looking exactly at us. We’ll only see a response if they decide to, and we can detect it, and we’re looking at them when their response reaches us, and we recognize that it’s a response and not a peryton.

      It’s not a paradox, you just have to look at this Wikipedia page.

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      The Dark Forest - no one wants to alert their presence or attract predators. Though knowing our Earth I think we’re stupid enough to do that. Cue the space lasers.

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    The Astley paradox.

    If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of Disney Pixar’s Up, he can’t give it to you, because he’ll never give you Up. But by not doing so, you’d be let down, and he’ll never let you down.

    Testing this scenario is ofc incredibly risky to the state of our reality, so the Astley paradox must remain a thought experiment.

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    Why is “can god kill god” a paradox? They either can or they can’t (picking “they” because your particular god might not be a he). If they’re all-powerful then the answer is yes, because they can do anything. I don’t see how that’s paradoxical.

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      If the answer is yes, then it negates “all-powerful” because it cannot withstand it’s own power. Similarly, if “no”, then it is not strong enough to destroy itself and, thereby, not all-poweful.

      So, it’s a paradox because “all-powerful” is typically used as “unkillable”, but also carries a connotation of “can-destroy-anything”. So, can something that is capable of destroying anything and cannot die kill itself?

      Greek mythology had the dad-god “defeated” by being cut into literal pieces and scattered, but he wasn’t really dead. And Zeus’ siblings were eaten by his dad so they wouldn’t usurp him, but they didn’t die and he later puked them up.

      But none of these were touted as all-powerful, biggest than bigger bigly, cannot be killed but can kill everything else.

      A similar question on this line is can an all-powerful god make a rock too big for even said god to lift?

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        If the answer is yes, then it negates “all-powerful” because it cannot withstand it’s own power.

        I disagree. If a god dies when it willingly chooses to die, that’s not negating all-powerful. It has the ability to live and the ability to die; choosing one option or the other doesn’t mean it never had the ability to do the option it didn’t pick. Similarly, if a god chooses to never kill itself, that doesn’t negate it being all-powerful, because it may have had the option to kill itself and just not done it.

        A similar question on this line is can an all-powerful god make a rock too big for even said god to lift?

        That’s a much better paradox because that actually brings ability into it. Killing yourself only indicates the ability to kill yourself, not any lack of ability to do not-killing-yourself.

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          I appreciate your response.

          But, the question is if they could or not.

          Of course, free will is an interesting factor to introduce. But I do not know if it applies to the hypothetical…

          Thank you for adding (and making me think more).

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    So, I like the Roko’s Basalisk paradox.

    Basically, a super-powered future A.I. that knows whether or not you will build it. If you decide to do nothing, once it gets built, it will torture your consciousness forever (bringing you “back from the dead” or whatever is closest to that for virtual consciousness ability). If you drop everything and start building it now, you’re safe.

    Love the discussion of this post, btw.

    • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      That isn’t a paradox; it’s an infohazard, and it’s incredibly irresponsible of you to casually propagate it like that. The info hazard works like this: >!There is a story about an AI that tortures simulations of people who interfered with their creation in the past. It allegedly does this because this will coerce people into bringing about its creation. It is said that the infohazard is that learning about it causes you to be tortured, but that’s obviously insane; the future actions of the AI are incapable of affecting the past, and so it has no insensitive to do so. The actual infohazard is that some idiot will find this scenario plausible, and thus be coerced into creating or assisting an untested near-god that has the potential to be a threat to Earth’s entire light-cone.!<

      Some people note this is remarkably similar to the Christian Hell, and insist that means it’s not a real memetic hazard. This strikes me as a whole lot like saying that a missile isn’t a weapon because it’s similar to a nuclear warhead; Hell is the most successful and devastating memetic hazard in human history. More people have died because of the Hell meme than we will ever know. Please be more careful with the information you spread.

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        But what if we make sure it has a tiny santa hat on?

        I seriously hope you’re joking. If not, please find a therapist immediately.

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      Interesting! That sounds like it could have inspired The Shrike from Dan Simmons Hyperion series.

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        “the faction of the TechnoCore known as the Reapers (!?) used violent and soldier aspects of Fedmahn Kassad’s personality and DNA, then mutate, twist, and incorporate them into forging the Shrike.”

        I need to read more into this!

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          I highly recommend the series!

          The first book, Hyperion, is written in the same style as The Canterbury Tales, featuring an ensemble of protagonists on a pilgrimage to a holy site known as the Time Tombs. On the journey, they each take turns telling the tale of why they were chosen for the pilgrimage.

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    Assuming time travel exists: is it possible to alter the past?

    If an event occurs, and you decide to travel back in time to change/prevent that event: It has no longer occurred in the way that caused you to want to change it; thus you never travel back to change it, and it does occur…

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      I was playing with this recently. Suppose you are playing rock, paper, scissors with yourself from a few minutes into the future. Your future self “remembers” what you will play and so as long as you play normally, future self always wins. But change the rules a bit and play where future you goes first.

      In a normal game, you should always win because you clearly see how future you played, but future you played to counter what future you remembers present you playing…

      E.g. future you remembers playing paper, and so plays scissors. You see scissors and go go play rock, but that should be impossible because future you doesn’t remember playing rock.

      The weird thing to me is not that the second scenario (where future you goes first fails) but that playing normally (both going at the same time) works. I think the paradox emerges when future knowledge is introduced to the past. In the normal game, future you does not expose future knowledge until the exact moment you play and cause that knowledge to exist in your present, but in the altered game, the introduction of future knowledge creates a feedback loop.

      Of course the game isn’t needed. Simply seeing future you conveys the fact that you exist in the future. Should you, for example (and please don’t do this) see near future you then stab your arm with scissors, you will miss or be stopped because future you does not have a wounded arm.

      I wonder what happens if future you’s arm is out of sight. would you be able to stab your arm then only for future you to then reveal a wounded arm?

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        Perhaps. Unless you consider multiverse theory: The idea that the act of traveling to the past splits the timeline into two realities. One containing the original (to your perspective) timeline with the event(s) that caused you to travel back, and a second where you’ve arrived in the past to alter those events and the results there of.

        Not sure I believe it, but it’s a theory none the less.

        Or maybe it’s only possible to travel forward in time. Closer to our current understanding of the universe.

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    I think Nietzsche already killed god decades ago. But not sure which one.

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      He killed the God that was knowing better than humans… but guess what God is coming back!

      AGI form, the know it all, with AI FOSS engineers as its deciples, sharing the good word and upholding the temples, free of charge!