A high school teacher and two students sued Arkansas on Monday over the state’s ban on critical race theory and “indoctrination” in public schools, asking a federal judge to strike down the restrictions as unconstitutional.

The lawsuit by the teacher and students from Little Rock Central High School, site of the historic 1957 racial desegregation crisis, stems from the state’s decision last year that an Advanced Placement course on African American Studies would not count toward state credit.

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    Your little fantasy world where teachers choose the material

    I’m not talking about teachers choosing the material. I’m talking about scientific consensus arrived at through abundantly peer reviewed proof dictating what is taught in science classes, not the equivalent of the Catholic Church insisting that the sun revolves around the earth.

    I’m sure you wouldn’t want some evangelical deciding on his own to override the curriculum to suit his beliefs.

    Sure wouldn’t. For the reasons I already mentioned.

    Science is real and testable no matter whether you believe it or not. It’s not a matter of opinion. It’s not equivalent to creationism.

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      That’s a fun idea you have but you’re wrong. Who decides what the scientific consensus is? Is there some governing body that is accepted as the source of truth on what constitutes “abundantly” peer reviewed proof? No? Then it’s still subjective.

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        Is there some governing body that is accepted as the source of truth on what constitutes “abundantly” peer reviewed proof? No? Then it’s still subjective.

        The fun part of living in a society with low public education standards is that this argument can work for anything from creationism to holocaust denial. Doesn’t matter if the Earth is a sphere, only matters if the schoolboard has the collective IQ to understand the abundant proof that the Earth is round. If they don’t- then the shape of the Earth is just ‘subjective’ ;)

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          That’s exactly the point. The only remedy to this problem, given the structure of our government, is through the legislature. If you live in one of the shithole states, that’s going to be a challenge.

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        That’s a fun idea you have

        Could you possibly be any more condescending?

        but you’re wrong

        I objectively am not, according to the best way of arriving at truth without opinion or faith.

        Who decides what the scientific consensus is?

        Who do you fucking think? You can’t possibly be this ignorant of how science works and what a consensus is and expect to be taken seriously when discussing science.

        Is there some governing body that is accepted as the source of truth on what constitutes “abundantly” peer reviewed proof?

        No, that’s nowhere near what a scientific consensus is. Since you apparently ARE that clueless, allow me to inform you:

        Scientific consensus is the generally held judgment, position, and opinion of the majority or the supermajority of scientists in a particular field of study at any particular time

        In this case, “evolution is how life works” being the almost universally held position of anyone with expert knowledge about biology that isn’t paid by pseudoscientific and usually religious organizations to pretend otherwise.

        Then it’s still subjective.

        Nope. That’s not what that word means. A scientific consensus is the most objective thing there is in human knowledge.

        Since you seem to have trouble with the meaning of key words, let me clarify: objective and subjective are antonyms. Antonyms are words with opposite meaning.

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          Hard not to be condescending in the face of such a childlike understanding of the world. Everything you’re arguing would be true in an ideal world, but that’s not what we have. I mean, have you been living under a rock while the science around climate change has been politicized and manipulated by monied interests?

          I’ll remind you we are talking about the courts, and the autonomy of the States to make their own laws, and not about what makes good science.

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            I’ll remind you we are talking about the courts

            Ah, now I see the problem. I’m talking about what makes sense while you’re talking about what a broken legal system wrongly thinks make sense.

            the science around climate change has been politicized and manipulated by monied interests?

            Corrupt people trying to deny the science doesn’t change the science. That’s why I alluded to the very few scientists not being part of the overwhelming consensus being paid for lying.

            autonomy of the States to make their own laws

            Yeah, because “state’s rights” have always been an argument used for good laws… 🙄

            and not about what makes good science.

            Call me old-fashioned, but I am of the opinion that science education should be about good science, not the ideological opinions of demagogues without so much as a relevant degree.

            Hard not to be condescending in the face of such

            Right back at you. You’d give Dunning and Kruger daily aneurysms if you had been a part of their famous study.

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              You go on having that opinion and see what it changes. The rest of us are doing the best we can in the real world. Let me know if things ever work out the way you want.

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                Someone who doesn’t know the difference between opinion and fact or objective and subjective probably shouldn’t brag too much about living in the real world or indeed about doing the best they can.

                Good luck with that and have the day you deserve.