Democrats certainly have flaws, but focusing on them during an election of such consequence resulted in Trump. And so being “right” was worth it???
Leftists are not liberals. The things that matter to leftists are different than the things that matter to liberals. We have different goals. The things liberals advocate for do not move us towards our goals. We have no reason to support you.
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If you want to save the planet, that takes abolishing the capitalist system. Neither major party is going to implement real measures to fix that. Harris was running on stronger borders too so I really don’t think its a reach to say we’d be getting ICE raids and destroyed lives under her.
In the words of Malcolm X: “If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it all the way out, that’s not progress. The progress is healing the wound…”
Give me someone that wants to heal the wound. I’ll vote for them.
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Did I say anything about China?
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And yet many of us leftists are still calling you out. If anyone needs any more evidence of this, look up who voted for her the most. Black people, particularly black women, Jewish people, and the LGBTQ+ community. Now, who wants to guess which groups have been the loudest voices against capitalism in the US? Who has been the most politically active?
Its generally been us in the communities who are going to die.
But if these communities tend to be liberals then I will gladly be a communist liberal.
Yes, and leftists don’t put the same value in identity that liberals do. We obviously care to some extent, we believe in national liberation, and historically the communist movements have supported black people in the US for example.
You know what those communists didn’t do though? Vote for liberals.
Also if you’re trying to say that minority groups are the most politically active…I’d agree. That’s why leftist groups are represented by large amounts of those people.
“leftism is when identify politics”
Ok liberal
Lol If leftism is telling the groups who have historically been at the forefront of everything, including fighting against capitalism, that they need to shut up cause theyre just liberals, then I love liberals.
If liberalism is worrying about the communities who get harmed the most, then Im a liberal
But Im so glad to have seen over this last year that leftistism is apperantly thinking of us the same way Republicans do.
I didn’t realise I was talking to the incarnate avatar of “marginalised community”. Are Palestinians included in your metaphysical essence?
I will gladly be a communist liberal.
It is impossible to be a communist/anarchist/socialist/leftist liberal, because communism/anarchism/socialism/leftism are diametrically opposed to liberalism.
Its OK if the point went over your head
Mate you’d need to have a point for it tk go anywhere.
Trump is a consequence of decades of lesser evilism and rightward ratcheting
If progressivism was so popular they could’ve taken over the Democratic party at any time.
Lol. Yeah, it’s a good thing we live in a Just World.
Progressives either need to win more races or just stfu already. It’s always somehow everyone else’s fault.
Thing is- I WANT progressive policy. But acting as if there is some big majority that’s just waiting for the perfect candidate is foolish. Either it’s not popular or people are LAZY just like I stated before and need to be shamed into voting regardless.
Inconvenient truth for progressives.
Progressives either need to win more races or just stfu already. It’s always somehow everyone else’s fault.
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Either it’s not popular or people are LAZY just like I stated before and need to be shamed into voting regardless.
Lol. Yeah, it’s a good thing we live in a Just World.
The capitalist party that writes its own rules and does not adopt literally any positions via bottom-up mechanism? No, nobody can take it over except other capitalists. So in a sense you are correct, as US progressives are still fundamentally of the political ideology of capitalism.
The party works against you but, ironically, convinces you to help it for your own and others’ interests. Instead, we must work together against capital if we want liberation and justice.
If you’d developed class consciousness, you’d understand why neither party enacts progressive policies despite their popularity. Previously:
The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Sure sure sure. FDR never existed, etc. etc. etc.
Excuses right on cue.
When you have to go back 93 years to the Great Depression to find an example, you’ve made my point.
FDR did what he did to save capitalism from the threat of socialist revolution, and politicians have spent the last three generations clawing back the concessions he had made to socialist & labor agitators. They also purged socialists from trade unions, and they purged and even assassinated communists, to avoid any such thing happening again.
Chris Hedges, America: The Farewell Tour:
The New Deal, as Franklin Delano Roosevelt said, saved capitalism. It was put in place because socialists were a strong and serious threat. The oligarchs understood that with the breakdown of capitalism—something I expect we will again witness in our lifetimes—there was a possibility of a socialist revolution. They did not want to lose their wealth and power. Roosevelt, writing to a friend in 1930, said there was “no question in my mind that it is time for the country to become fairly radical for at least one generation. History shows that where this occurs occasionally, nations are saved from revolution.” In other words, Roosevelt went to his fellow oligarchs and said, “Hand over some of your money or you will lose all your money in a revolution.” And they complied. That is how the government created fifteen million jobs, Social Security, unemployment benefits, and public works projects. The capitalists did not do this because the suffering of the masses moved them to pity. They did this because they were scared.
But you just can’t put a price on that feeling of smug self righteousness ya know?
The same Democrats that barely won the previous election by telling people not to focus on them but Trump. Imagine funding the murder of kids, ignoring the housing crisis & then thinking you could just pull out the previous playbook with a dementia patient, then anointing Kamala Cheney at the last minute.
It also still almost worked. This is how subservient and propagandized the US political electorate is. The idea of supporting mass murdering children was only a dealbreaker for a small minority, but enough to do most of the work in tipping the scales.
Kamala probably would’ve won with false promises to end “the war”, some token Arab speakers, and “I see you and hear you” pandering.
It was so sad that the democrats couldn’t even bring themselves to lie to us about Gaza. Maybe they didn’t think trump was worth the effort to stop.
Here is an example of a successful third party in a 2 party FPTP voting system that people keep insisting is impossible in the US because “muh RCV required”
This fact doesn’t really invalidate the initial statement though.
We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn’t an endorsement of the Dems, just reality
I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won’t come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.
Oh look, yet another post where traitors and cowards try to convince people not to vote
This is why revolution and working class orgsnization is necessary.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - mlk jr
Blue MAGA: Its always never the time for criticism.
Reminder that the Democrats would be considered even further right than the Conservative Party in Canada. And Canada itself is still considered pretty right wing with no big leftist parties (NDP is still center-right at best)
That’s right, everybody knows that the left and the right are perfectly equally bad, and the act of voting to stop the bleeding and starting a revolution are mutually exclusive /s
And then after years of this nonsense, people wonder how the poor voter turnout that got the fascist elected happened.
Before you reply to me directly please understand:
- The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
- The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
- Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
- The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
- Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
- Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
- Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die
You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.
I try to remind people that we have no “Leftist” party or even a “Centre left” party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.
I would still take blocking progress to the left over concentration camps every time
So yeah, if you think bith sides are the same, then I guess it doesnt matter who won. We probably would be here with tarrifs and camps and a dictatorship, but just with Harris.
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From an outsider’s perspective it seems like the Democrats behave like that because the US electorate is genuinely right-wing and need pandered to.
I’m not American but there’s so many socialists on here refusing to vote for the lesser evil because they don’t offer the right candidates and advocating revolution.
why not take a page from the right’s clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries. Maga managed to turn the republicans into exactly what they wanted this way, but the American left just sits there waiting for someone to start a revolution.
well I understand it might be late now and elections might not do much going forward, but jesus it’s like the only option you guys saw is voting for whoever the parties put toward or revolution.
You can always count on @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org to get most rabbid libs stirred up and face their own contradictions (without taking away any insights from the posts themselves anyway lol)…
Literally every post that just puts the quiet part loud upsets them, lol. Please keep it up, love to see it.
