This toggle is annoying because what was once 1 press to turn on BT is now 2. It gets me every day.
Going through the comments, I think it’s clear to conclude this should be a choice to configure this tile. Some people prefer single tap to turn off, some don’t
So, maybe a weird question, but what are you doing with your phone exactly that you need to turn on Bluetooth on a daily basis?
I sometimes use Bluetooth headphones but turn off Bluetooth to save battery.
I will never understand wireless headphones as a concept. They seem objectively worse in every way.
Lower sound quality, more battery intensive, have to be charged, less comfortable, easier to drop and way easier to lose. Also, makes you look like you’re talking to yourself all the time
Sound quality is sufficiently indistinguishable in quality for me, battery lasts way longer than I need, more comfortable because I don’t have a cable being snagged on things, never dropped or lost them, and if you can’t see my over-ear headphones then no wire is going to help you.
Additionally I can connect to multiple devices (computer and mobile) and I can get up and walk around as I need and not lose audio.
I thought some of these things initially, but then I noticed I wasn’t constantly accidentally getting the cord hooked on things and yanking them out of my ears all the time. That bit has been super nice. Plus I have a pair that sounds absolutely fantastic…no issues with sound quality. Maybe I’m just a klutz, but freeing yourself of wires is super nice.
Note that if you only use headphones in a stationary position, a wire isn’t very obtrusive. But if I’m doing something like laundry, the dishes, cleaning up, getting some exercise, or even just being seated at my computer (where I would always forget I had wired headphones on and I would yank them off when I stood up), going wireless has been great.
HOWEVER, one of the biggest downsides to wireless headphones has been gaming. The latency makes them unusable for that purpose imo. We just aren’t there yet in terms of that tech.
This was pointed out already that I could just unpair my personal phone to my speaker, but I have 2 phones. I have a speaker at work both are paired to. So every day I turn bluetooth off so when I turn my speaker on I’m not announcing connection to my personal phone because it violates cell phone policy. Because it announces connection to both, I turn bluetooth off before I go inside. Since I have a work phone, I’m good to use that one, just not my personal phone.
They need to add a way to quick toggle it, maybe a double tap or hold.
Tap and hold should bring this menu up. Tap should just toggle it. It’s stupid.
Isn’t this how it used to work? I hate the double toggle too.
Yuuuup
I was literally mini ranting to my partner about it yesterday. I keep my bluetooth off unless I’m actively using it so it’s annoying. Hold still brings you to the bluetooth settings.
What’s even more annoying is aside from the internet, every other bubble is a toggle on mine so you’re now mixing actions on the same looking icons.
Edit: apparently I missed the little tiny arrow in the corner, that should tip me off of the entire different behaviour
I prefer this. I’ve been annoyed by having to go to the settings every time I wanted to swap device I want to connect to. I rarely turn off BT anyways.
Before it was a single tap to turn Bluetooth on/off, and a tap+hold to open the Bluetooth settings (or any quick setting tile in your notification tray). Maybe you just didn’t know about that feature but the old way was 100% better.
I knew about it but still prefer this new way
I don’t like it, but I like it more than the old way of holding the button down to get to the menu. I do hate that the “see all” menu doesn’t just expand the current menu, it takes you to the old menu. There’s definitely hints of windows95 creeping into Android.
I Fucking Hate It!
I miss the 6 small buttons
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I would turn your yelling around: Do you honestly believe the vast majority of users need more than just that functionality, which beelines you into connecting to a specific Wi-Fi over toggling anything on or off?
Much like the Bluetooth menu, these changes are driven by the fact that the vast vast majority of users only ever need to access a quick “connect to this BT device” or “I want to connect to this Wi-Fi” menu. Never anything else.
It sucks as a power user, but at least for me I could find individual toggles when editing the quick panel.
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So now what would you do if the data were to show that the vast majority need fast access to a menu to swap which BT device is connected, but only few ever turn it on or off?
Wouldn’t it make sense to have the connect menu available quickly, and the on/off deeper in the configuration, just like you say it but the other way around?
Of course, 10+ versions ago the devs expected the toggle to be used frequently. But unless our users are a very skewed sample, fucking nobody (if you round it) ever does. Same with toggling data.
What’s even more infuriating is that the panel is blue even if both wifi and cell network are tuned off!
That’s a major improvement. Nobody turns off Bluetooth.
It’s now easier to check or disconnect devices.
Bluetooth always off for me, until I need it. Then I’ll turn it on, then back to off.
I like my battery more than I like my Bluetooth.
Location and Bluetooth are constantly off for me, my phone is lucky if it isn’t in airplane mode.
Solely for battery lmao. I don’t know if it even matters anymore but it’s an old habit
It’s a good ol’ habit.
Yes we do. I have Bluetooth off 95% of the time, unless I’m using headphones
I hated that too, but buried in the’edit’ list I still found separate toggles for WiFi and data (on Lineage OS)
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When you edit your quick-access tiles. Mine has a little pencil if I expand the notification area fully. I have these choices, where ‘Internet’ is the annoying combined WiFi/data button, but the other two were in there and I just had to drag them out instead.
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They used to be there and were removed a couple updates ago. Really annoyed me.
Fuck this noise! Hate it.
I think however this is just based on how the average user interacts with this toggle. Very few users actively turn off their BT, ever, as they have frequent situations where they want their BT to just work immediately.
OTOH, this means that in some cases, they need to swap which device to connect to, hence opening the menu on the first tap.
I don’t want to go conspiracy theory, but in my opinion it feels like a dark pattern to increase the time people have Bluetooth on. I believe they did the same thing with success for Wi-Fi. If I recall correctly, even when you are not connected to a device, Google can estimate your location based on what Wi-Fi networks you are in proximity to and something to varying degrees might work for Bluetooth as well which is why they also roll the feature over to the Bluetooth toggle
They already do that regardless of the state of those toggles. You have to turn that off in a different spot.
The main Bluetooth and Wi-Fi toggles otherwise just stop your device from actively associating/pairing with other devices. They do not control the radios.
Thank you for this! I just turned them off. Such bullshit.
Yeah, this is definitely it. This article is from 2019, so it has probably evolved a lot since then.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html
In addition to the profits from earphones, this is probably another reason for the removal of the headphone jack.
Definitely dark patterns.
Not at all. That’s what people want. Nobody turns off Bluetooth.
Who says that that kind of stuff on Lemmy of all sites?
I rarely turn Bluetooth on. Maybe 2 hours in a week.
That’s not what people want, that’s why this post exists and it has 69 comments so far.
And the most upvoted comment agrees with me.
Mine is off at all times. This is simply false as I am somebody.
Wut. Why would they bother when your cellular connection is constantly pinging all towers to literally triangulate your location? Why do something much more complicated to get data they already have?
The real answer is they are a multi billion dollar company with telemetry. Obviously, the vast majority of people never turn off WiFi or Bluetooth. Most people want quick access to connect to a WiFi network or Bluetooth device, not to toggle either off.
Bluetooth give a lot more information about your surrounding (what device your phone detect or connect, for how much time, distance from objects, etc.), not only from your phone alone, but from other people phones who have bluetooth on and e.g. never disable any tracking from google services too. And the Mac address for bluetooth never change, so any device (and tracking company) will know you is forever you. Bluetooth is a privacy nightmare, and this is totally a dark pattern. People not knowing what they’re doing is of course a thing, but it seems just a usual bad practice by google, who like to manipulate especially not tech-savvy people
I believe that Wi-Fi points are more accurate than towers especially when they’re sharing the information with indoor retailers
It’s just a usability improvement. Virtually nobody turns off Bluetooth.
What
I have literally never turned it on
It wastes battery and offers literally no benefit whatsoever
Keep saying it. It’ll be true eventually.
Would you shut up already?
Damn, somehow this place is more toxic than Reddit used to be.
my phone does single tap to toggle and tap on the down arrow or longpress for settings page
What version ate you on? 15? I’m on 14, and for me it’s as it ever was. Also, can you replace it by editing the Shortcuts? I was able to replace the Internet thingy with separate toggles for Bluetooth/WiFi by doing that.
I’m on 14 on a Google pixel 6 pro. I tried what you suggested but there’s no option to alter it, but thanks.
Hmh. Annoying. I’m on lineage, and I noticed that the stock Pixel Rom seems to be more limited like that in some ways.
Hello, fellow kde connect user.
I’m on 14 but on a Pixel 8 and it’s like OP shows now. Clicking the button on the quick menu just opens the screen OP is showing instead of turning off the BT radio like it did on my previous phone, which was also on Android 14.
For some reason, certain features and UI changes don’t happen for every device even if they’re on the same version of the OS. Like every phone maker has their own tweaked version of it for their specific phone, and it’s not a universal experience for everyone just being on Android.
I mean, sure, but both lineage and the stock rom on pixels should be reasonably close to stock Android, compared to stuff like, for example, MI UI.
The “stock” rom offered by Google’s own devices seems “enhanced” to the stock android given to any other device. But even between them, there are odd differences. My sister has a Pixel 7, just 1 iteration behind mine, and on the same OS version; but the UI isn’t exactly the same. I can see special apps not being for hers, like Gemini (and even features of Gemini I do not have but the 8 Pro does); but for the basic settings menu and quick menu and shit to be different is weird as hell.
And then they don’t toggle where you want to toggle (a connect / disconnect on each device) so you have to tap and guess or open settings anyway
this entire quick actions shade was redesigned either for children or for elders
the space now used for 4 quick actions could fit 12 quick actions before
