This toggle is annoying because what was once 1 press to turn on BT is now 2. It gets me every day.
I thought this was only on graphene, as a way to confirm your wanted Bluetooth radio turned on. As a general Android update, it makes no sense
What version ate you on? 15? I’m on 14, and for me it’s as it ever was. Also, can you replace it by editing the Shortcuts? I was able to replace the Internet thingy with separate toggles for Bluetooth/WiFi by doing that.
I’m on 14 but on a Pixel 8 and it’s like OP shows now. Clicking the button on the quick menu just opens the screen OP is showing instead of turning off the BT radio like it did on my previous phone, which was also on Android 14.
For some reason, certain features and UI changes don’t happen for every device even if they’re on the same version of the OS. Like every phone maker has their own tweaked version of it for their specific phone, and it’s not a universal experience for everyone just being on Android.
I mean, sure, but both lineage and the stock rom on pixels should be reasonably close to stock Android, compared to stuff like, for example, MI UI.
The “stock” rom offered by Google’s own devices seems “enhanced” to the stock android given to any other device. But even between them, there are odd differences. My sister has a Pixel 7, just 1 iteration behind mine, and on the same OS version; but the UI isn’t exactly the same. I can see special apps not being for hers, like Gemini (and even features of Gemini I do not have but the 8 Pro does); but for the basic settings menu and quick menu and shit to be different is weird as hell.
Hello, fellow kde connect user.
I’m on 14 on a Google pixel 6 pro. I tried what you suggested but there’s no option to alter it, but thanks.
Hmh. Annoying. I’m on lineage, and I noticed that the stock Pixel Rom seems to be more limited like that in some ways.
So, maybe a weird question, but what are you doing with your phone exactly that you need to turn on Bluetooth on a daily basis?
This was pointed out already that I could just unpair my personal phone to my speaker, but I have 2 phones. I have a speaker at work both are paired to. So every day I turn bluetooth off so when I turn my speaker on I’m not announcing connection to my personal phone because it violates cell phone policy. Because it announces connection to both, I turn bluetooth off before I go inside. Since I have a work phone, I’m good to use that one, just not my personal phone.
I sometimes use Bluetooth headphones but turn off Bluetooth to save battery.
I will never understand wireless headphones as a concept. They seem objectively worse in every way.
Lower sound quality, more battery intensive, have to be charged, less comfortable, easier to drop and way easier to lose. Also, makes you look like you’re talking to yourself all the time
Sound quality is sufficiently indistinguishable in quality for me, battery lasts way longer than I need, more comfortable because I don’t have a cable being snagged on things, never dropped or lost them, and if you can’t see my over-ear headphones then no wire is going to help you.
Additionally I can connect to multiple devices (computer and mobile) and I can get up and walk around as I need and not lose audio.
I thought some of these things initially, but then I noticed I wasn’t constantly accidentally getting the cord hooked on things and yanking them out of my ears all the time. That bit has been super nice. Plus I have a pair that sounds absolutely fantastic…no issues with sound quality. Maybe I’m just a klutz, but freeing yourself of wires is super nice.
Note that if you only use headphones in a stationary position, a wire isn’t very obtrusive. But if I’m doing something like laundry, the dishes, cleaning up, getting some exercise, or even just being seated at my computer (where I would always forget I had wired headphones on and I would yank them off when I stood up), going wireless has been great.
HOWEVER, one of the biggest downsides to wireless headphones has been gaming. The latency makes them unusable for that purpose imo. We just aren’t there yet in terms of that tech.
I’m glad I’m not the only one feeling this way.
This is part of why is think stock android is now trash. I’ll stick to oem skins for now
I Fucking Hate It!
I miss the 6 small buttons
I prefer this. I’ve been annoyed by having to go to the settings every time I wanted to swap device I want to connect to. I rarely turn off BT anyways.
Before it was a single tap to turn Bluetooth on/off, and a tap+hold to open the Bluetooth settings (or any quick setting tile in your notification tray). Maybe you just didn’t know about that feature but the old way was 100% better.
I knew about it but still prefer this new way
Fuck this noise! Hate it.
I don’t want to go conspiracy theory, but in my opinion it feels like a dark pattern to increase the time people have Bluetooth on. I believe they did the same thing with success for Wi-Fi. If I recall correctly, even when you are not connected to a device, Google can estimate your location based on what Wi-Fi networks you are in proximity to and something to varying degrees might work for Bluetooth as well which is why they also roll the feature over to the Bluetooth toggle
Definitely dark patterns.
Not at all. That’s what people want. Nobody turns off Bluetooth.
Mine is off at all times. This is simply false as I am somebody.
Who says that that kind of stuff on Lemmy of all sites?
That’s not what people want, that’s why this post exists and it has 69 comments so far.
And the most upvoted comment agrees with me.
I rarely turn Bluetooth on. Maybe 2 hours in a week.
Wut. Why would they bother when your cellular connection is constantly pinging all towers to literally triangulate your location? Why do something much more complicated to get data they already have?
The real answer is they are a multi billion dollar company with telemetry. Obviously, the vast majority of people never turn off WiFi or Bluetooth. Most people want quick access to connect to a WiFi network or Bluetooth device, not to toggle either off.
I believe that Wi-Fi points are more accurate than towers especially when they’re sharing the information with indoor retailers
It’s just a usability improvement. Virtually nobody turns off Bluetooth.
Damn, somehow this place is more toxic than Reddit used to be.
Keep saying it. It’ll be true eventually.
What
I have literally never turned it on
It wastes battery and offers literally no benefit whatsoever
Would you shut up already?
Bluetooth give a lot more information about your surrounding (what device your phone detect or connect, for how much time, distance from objects, etc.), not only from your phone alone, but from other people phones who have bluetooth on and e.g. never disable any tracking from google services too. And the Mac address for bluetooth never change, so any device (and tracking company) will know you is forever you. Bluetooth is a privacy nightmare, and this is totally a dark pattern. People not knowing what they’re doing is of course a thing, but it seems just a usual bad practice by google, who like to manipulate especially not tech-savvy people
They already do that regardless of the state of those toggles. You have to turn that off in a different spot.
The main Bluetooth and Wi-Fi toggles otherwise just stop your device from actively associating/pairing with other devices. They do not control the radios.
Thank you for this! I just turned them off. Such bullshit.
Yeah, this is definitely it. This article is from 2019, so it has probably evolved a lot since then.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html
In addition to the profits from earphones, this is probably another reason for the removal of the headphone jack.
this entire quick actions shade was redesigned either for children or for elders
the space now used for 4 quick actions could fit 12 quick actions before
I was just grumbling about this today. It’s one of those little changes that might help someone, but interrupts a flow that worked well for me.
Same. I was sure it’s me doing something wrong.
But I don’t even like those larger icons. I want the smaller circles like before.
Fuck Google’s recent changes to the quick settings panel, really. Especially now that One UI 6 didn’t revert those changes like it was done with One UI 5.
I honestly thought this was my own doing and was about to go insane when I couldn’t find the setting to revert this. Why on earth would they do this…
I’ve felt this a lot over the years. Regressions in interface designs happen here and there, and I feel it’s just people justifying their jobs. We have to change this, and that, and EVERYTHING, to keep it fresh. Where in reality, sometimes only some things need changing.
I put buttons on screens for people at work and I’m imagining the fury that would rain down on me if I put 2 buttons in place do a normal thing that was once one button. I would never heard the end of it.
I have the opposite. I have never a reason to turn off Bluetooth, but always want to connect of disconnect devices. this is so much better than long pressing.
My wife’s car is extremely aggressive. The second she turns it on, it steals my Bluetooth connection. I could be mowing my lawn, listening to music on my phone, then suddenly hear nothing, and it’s because my wife got in her car and was suddenly blasted with my tunes.
I tell my phone to forget her car’s Bluetooth connection, but then I’m constantly harassed by pop-ups on my phone every minute saying her car wants to pair with my phone. I can’t get it to stop pinging me. It sees a Bluetooth device in range and then spams it, trying to connect.
So yes, I like to keep my Bluetooth off until I want to use it.
Does she have a mazda?? Mine does the same thing 😅
Nope, a Subaru. I drive a Mazda and I don’t have this issue.
Sounds like your phone is top priority. Either clear it off the car or move her’s up to the top spot.
Some cars it doesn’t matter - it will attempt to connect to whatever device it sees.
If it happens to see his first, it connects.
I’ve seen these problems for years with integrated BT in cars. I hate it.
The best answer I’ve found is to pair, then turn off all connectivity within that Bluetooth connection on my phone.
Our car does this as well, but then when I get in it sometimes just refuses to connect automatically, so this actually helps me immensly.
Have a dig through the cars Bluetooth settings and see if you can delete the pairing from that end.
I’ve done that, but it still pings every Bluetooth connection it sees, whether it recognizes it or not.
Her car had some class-action lawsuit recently because its integrated satellite radio service was constantly pinging for a connection, whether you had the service or not. If the car wasn’t driven in a few days, the battery would be completely drained. And you couldn’t jump it yourself; it had to be towed to a shop so they could use some special machine to jump and charge it.
That issue has been settled, but now its Bluetooth is basically doing the same thing. Fortunately only while the car is on, but still.
Hmm. Well that sucks.
Personally; I refuse to connect a phone to a car via Bluetooth. Too many reports of cars harvesting every available bit of info it can access from the connection and storing/uploading it inaccessible/immovable to the owner.
Aux cable, fm transmitter, or deal with the radio.
Sounds like you need to give it something to connect to. Buy a cheap analog-to Bluetooth transmitter, charge it from the car and just never turn it off. You’d need to do some research to find one which doesn’t go to sleep. If you need to use your phone in the car, just turn the transmitter off.
It’s a pain if you share a car. Whoever starts the car gets to interrupt the other one’s phone call.
Tell the car to forget your phone?
That’s a temporary fix, because oop may drive that car at times as well. I have the exact same problem
I turn it off daily. I have 2 phones and I don’t want to connect my personal phone to my BT speaker at work. I can see where you’re coming from though.
I don’t want to connect my personal phone to my BT speaker at work
I’m confused, do you shuttle the same speaker between work and home or is work a separate speaker? If it’s a separate speaker why don’t you just delete it’s pairing from your personal phone?
I just leave it at work. I will do that lol. I forgot I could do that, thanks.
Supermarkets and malls etc, use Bluetooth beacons to track, and profile you. I’m always turning mine off, when in those kind of places.
I think this is the reason why Google implemented it. They already track you over Wi-Fi when you do not explicitly turn off the option, so Bluetooth is going the same route
Yeah they built this UI on the assumption that people didn’t turn off their BT generally. This is an improvement for me but I really don’t see why they can’t make it an option for people.
Ummm… this also happened for WiFi as far as I can tell…
Yeah I don’t turn that off generally either but you’re right the wifi panel has been like this for a bit and now it’s consistent.
It’s not an assumption. They obviously have telemetry that shows the vast majority of people never turn Bluetooth or WiFi off.
…or maybe the people who turn off Bluetooth also tend to disable/block telemetry.
And that group is also an incredibly small outlier, and wouldn’t be considered in their calculations.
Unfortunately I suppose thats the equivalent of refusing to vote.
