Idk anything about ms 13 so I can’t try to assess them as a threat. But I have a hard time imagining a gang or terror group coming close to russia in terms of threat to Americans
I find it peculiar we never heard about ms-13 until a few months ago (at most).
One of my best friends came from el Salvador. They fled because of the gang violence, I’ve known her since we were about 12. She was the one who told me about MS13. But it wasn’t something that was mainstream media worthy because it was a big issue there.
It depends on the media you consume. This is no doubt a blind spot to most liberal media consumers, but conservative media has covered MS-13, sometimes extensively, especially in the months leading up to the 2024 POTUS election. We also heard about TdA, Tren de Aragua, in no small part because of Jose Ibarra, who raped & murdered Laken Riley.
Republicans and some democrats
the forces task with each risk are entirely separate. the states should police for internal gang activity. the feds should be fucking freaked out over russia just deciding to invade other soverieng nations for zero reason.
but that was back when the united states had a functioning government. those days are long gone.
Considering Russia kind of just put the final nail in the coffin for your democracy, probably Russia
I guess it depends on how many nuclear weapons MS-13 has.
- international: Russia (and their puppet, Trump)
- domestic: we have enough racist, fascist domestic terrorists (ex. Proud Boys, Patriot Front, etc., etc.) that pose far more of a threat to the US than MS-13
The only other time I had ever heard of MS-13 was the psyopathic rantings of a former cop I worked with briefly. Hmmm… wonder why they aren’t a cop anymore?
China. Military has been gearing up to defend Taiwan for years and the intervention has been moved up to only 2 years from now.
Russia.
They should be concerned about the dictator problem they have.
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost - the “homegrown” criminal gang.
Seriously, had you heard about MS-13 before Trump?
Yes
It was probably one of the few buttons america even had before trump.
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
E-xactly.
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost
Soooooooo…. You’re saying Russia then.
Yeah but taking out Putin won’t help as much now.
Glorifying gang culture was really popular in the 90’s-2000’s so I was definately slightly aware of ms-13 from someplace. Maybe law and order or some other show mentioned it. I was never really aware of DT until he ran for president.
Red Scare or “duh ill-e-gulls”
Red scare was about communism.
MS-13 or Russia
neither of those are real concerns tbh. Americans should be concerned about housing, feeding and providing medical care to everyone before worrying about external threats.
Russia is affecting those things in the us though. Maybe if the gop weren’t in russias pocket you’d be more on point.
Russia is affecting those things in the us though.
People being unhoused, going hungry and without healthcare is bipartisan consensus in the US and Russia has nothing to do with that.
and Russia has nothing to do with that.
Except the gop is in russias pocket
Not all of the countries problems can simply be attributed to ‘the enemy’ on the other side of the planet. The dysfunction I’m pointing out is home grown and enabled on both sides. The republicans are obviously worse, the democrats prevent anything better.
That completely ignores where the battle is being fought. Right now social media has a strangle hold on the discussion around politics in America. If misinformation/disinformation isn’t countered effectively the GOP wins out. That means there is no hope for the homeless, universal access to Healthcare, and every other legitimate function of goverment that the GOP are attacking.
I don’t recall attributing all the countries problems on Russia and the gop. Most of the dems are gop lite. There are some that do work towards housing and feeding. Like school lunch and breakfast programs.
This tells me you’ve never looked at the voting record. It’s OK, most dont.
Fair
None, go fix yourself first, clinically depressed pooch.
One of them is a heavily armed criminal gang which operates locally and engages in violent crime, murder, and human trafficking, the other is somewhere on the other side of the world and currently fairly busy expending massive amounts of military resources trying to occupy a few provinces of a neighboring country.
This feels like asking if you should be more worried about domestic rattlesnakes or lions in Africa.
It’s cute that you think they’re all on the other side of the world. You must feel very safe.
I envy you.
I haven’t heard of any armed, violent Russian criminal gangs operating on US territory in recent years, so yeah, I’m less worried about them than the ones that are known to operate here.
Just wait…
Okay. I’ll check back in when the Russians are at my door.
See, it’s funny because you think that everyone sharing this is insinuating that Russia’s army is here. Or that it’s being implied that they’re here en masse in any conceivable way.
No one is saying this-
But if you think the White House isn’t compromised, I’ve got a bridge to sell you if you’ve got the рубль.
That may be the case, but what immediate danger does that pose to me? I’d be more worried about armed gangs in my neighborhood than spooks in Washington, because the former would likely pose a more immediate threat to my life than the latter.
The spooks in Washington will soon be controlling the armed gangs in your neighborhood. Only those gangs will have an American flag on their sleeve.
I have a feeling that line between the former and the later will blur much faster than you think.
How does it affect you? If a neighbour who doesn’t like you can just call the police, tell them you’re in a gang, and get you deported without due process that will absolutely affect you.
PS the world is in this state because of unempathetic people like you.
So your position is russia raises no threat to America. I’ll write that one down.
No, that is not what he said at all.
Tell me how lions in Africa are a threat to Americans
Oh, fuck off.
What. Logic escapes you all the sudden?
I wouldn’t say none whatsoever, but comparatively little. They’re already engaged in a fairly high stakes military operation costing them massive amounts of resources and manpower every year and constantly teetering on the edge of triggering a NATO involvement. Yeah they have nukes, but if they really wanted an all-out war, don’t you think they would have dropped one already?
I’d say chances are very low. First of all, the US likely has a capable early warning system and the ability to intercept a nuclear warhead in-flight, and second, the potential retaliation would likely be horrifying and not worth the risk. Worrying about armed criminal gang members who are already in the country seems to be a lot more sensible to me because they pose a more immediate threat.
I firmly believe, and the evidence supports, Russia has deployed a widespread disinformation campaign against America and has infiltrated the highest levels of government.
Do you have any evidence for that belief?
Before we do all that you tell me what sources you will accept.
Hard evidence, preferably. I’m not interested in hearsay or conspiracy theories. There’s enough of that out there already.
So, it’s about time you read it then.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html
Trump.
We count that as russia.
No you dont
Trump and Tulsi gabbard have said Rusaian talking points nearly word for word in public settings. They are Russian assets the only question is if they know they are Russian assets
We do
