Why is this a screenshot and not a link to the website?
Here we built a cool new tool you wanna use it? No not that way! Nooo! Definitely not that way! No, no, no, that’s also wrong. Here, lemme show you! Gawd.
So I’ll have another “crime” under my belt, I see. What’re they gonna do, write an angry letter to me about it?
copyright law in japan is ridiculous if you think about it. The most recent and well known case is nintendo v palworld.
I would argue its ridiculous everywhere.
AI does not produce art and there is no such thing as an “AI Artist”.
If you use AI to generate content based on other peoples work and make money off of it you are a thief as well as no talent loser.
Tell that to The Doctor! /s
It’s basically fanart being banned but worse, and everybody is cheering for the copyright industry winning and censoring us again.
I wonder if we’ll run out of styles in a few years or if it will only apply to the ones with lawyers and lots of money behind them.
I don’t care if it’s AI or a human artist. Using the same artistic style is not the same as copyright infringement. If you make depictions of a specific Ghibli character or scene that would be one thing. They want to ban people from making their own unique images and characters, including self portraits, in a specific style. That’s more like trying to take ownership of a color of paint. “Can’t use red in any of your paintings or drawings, red belongs to me.”
The problem is ai uses direct references from studio ghiblis work. Without the source material ai would not be able to accurately copy it.
How is that different than a human artist using their eyes to look at some Ghibli art, taking inspiration from the style, and making a unique drawing or painting with the same style? Artists take inspiration from and copy the style of other artists all the time. If I had the ability to copy the style of Leonardo da Vinci and if I made a painting of my daughter posing like the Mona Lisa on a street in New York, would I be counterfeiting the Mona Lisa? Same style, same pose, different character different backdrop, inspired by the original but not a copy of the original.
It’s different because it’s directly referencing the original.
It’s different because it hurts their feelings.
The problem is that artists have been cribbing off the studio Ghibli style forever, a cursory search through deviant art going back to its inception would also reveal that. I do understand the slippery slope of AI, but it’s very fiddly grounds if the art piece is not used for profit.
How you even trademark a drawing style?
How do you have “intellectual property” in the first place? It’s absolutely absurd that you can claim ownership of an idea that no longer exists in your mind alone.
IP in general is very important. It’s the fundamental cornerstone of our society. Without any IP, our society would collapse. But it has limits: You can trademark a brand or a product or a patent. But a drawing style? I find that questionable.
They are about to learn about the Streisand Effect.
Can’t be worse then it already is. I guess if the kkk starts using it. Technically i think we are already there.
And the source is…? Random Twitter account? how is it even allowed there?
I found this link if it helps, but can make for no guarantee of its veracity, or otherwise true true making of word writer
Ngl, my HD is full of ghibli-ized contraband of my dog looking cute AF
I don’t take issue with that. I take issue with the whitehouse us it to make their fascist regime “kid friendly.”
It’s clearly derivative and maybe not illegal but I never wanted american politics in my ghibli.
I will fucking laugh so hard if they go after the White House.
If they’re thinking of making “style” something that can be copyrighted, then the effects on AI will be trivial compared to the general creative apocalypse as giant corporations lock everything down and go to war with each other.
Japan in general has weird copyright/patent laws. For example the whole palworld patent lawsuits.
Good news is it probably won’t affect people outside of Japan, except that it will stunt games/etc made in Japan.
That already happened. Right now they’re using AI to generate everything then claim the output as IP. It’s just another tool for them to attack their competition.
If this are the AI wars I was promised on every sci fi since the 70s, I’ll be very disappointed.
Why this controversy now? Tools like StyleGAN could do this for years already.
It’s the concept of a foreign party stealing/defacing a cultural treasure and a national icon. To some it probably feels offensive in a personal way with that classic flavor imperialist cultural appropriation. Which I can see the argument for, even if I do think it’s overly focused on a single episode instead of the greater AI issues at hand
I’ve put a fair bit of effort into trying to understand the Japanese perspective, because as a northerner it frankly displays an odd contrast of values to me, being extremely sexually liberal, while also holding firm to tradition and social responsibility. It appears to me as though they manage this by maintaining quite clear social boundaries regarding empathy for each other’s individual perspective, and so they don’t appreciate when things which hold a strong sentimental place in many people’s hearts, such as the master of anime’s unique style, or a Shinto shrine in a popular video game, are portrayed in an uncharitable light within the public sphere.
IMO it’s because a large corporation is making money out of it
Who is making money? OpenAI loses money with every request.
Their product still produces output based on Studio Ghibli’s data, and just like all of us, they did not consent to their data being used to train models that would recompose their work for profit.
What if a corporation stole your voice and appearance, and made your likeness a movie star, without your consent or compensation?
If you knew how LLMs work then you’d know that no data of Studio Ghibli’s pictures is stored in it. It’s the equivalent of books citing other books without plagiarising. This is my personal opinion on this. I think the laws are unclear about this too because this is a very novel situation. I expect a lot of change and new legislation in the near future.
I’ve always been of the opinion that if you post something publicly, expect it to be used publicly.
I will absolutely declare though that using privately posted stuff or piracy for profit is absolutely abhorrent. I’ve actually never been a fan of those IPTV providers that profited off of pirated streams either or similar schemes for the same reasons
And notably, Japan does not have broad fair use copyright exceptions like the US. There are a very specific set of circumstances where it applies, and Generative AI for sure is not one of those.
The laws that apply to a person’s likeness in your example don’t apply to an art style.
Currently, it isn’t clear if consent is required for style. It’s highly transformative but we will only know after the lawsuits are finished and any new law is put in place. Depends on location as well I’m guessing.
People are fucking idiots. If you hand make/photoshop/non LLM based automated software to create these kinds of images, it’s been fine, but since it’s “AI” it’s now horrifying and an affront to art and human souls /s
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re right. There’s nothing stopping anybody from replicating this art style, why do the tools involved make a difference now?
The tools matter because of the sheer volume of content which literally any meth head can produce, which has already severely tainted the whole online ecosystem, and will only get worse.
The tools matter because of the sheer volume of content which literally any meth head can produce
wow amazing. You wanna go bust up some mimeographs tomorrow night?
There’s nothing stopping anybody
I assume you can do it by hand, right now, in a few seconds then?
So? Just because you can make something fast with tools doesn’t make the art of making it without these tools less impressive or appealing.
It’s like saying photography killed painting. It did in some ways. But in many other ways it didn’t.
So the problem is that anyone can do it?
OpenAI recently updated ChatGPT to be able to reproduce images in a specific style, and a lot of people posted Ghibli-style versions of things. So all of a sudden, it’s a big deal.
Normies are only just now learning about it.
Because people are attacking a beloved Japanese cultural icon.
