Judge Santiago Pedraz of the National Court has ordered the blocking of the Telegram messaging platform in Spain. This is a precautionary measure in response
mobile is not the problem for many reasons. one being that apps offload so there is no system wide slowdown like you experience on a modern high end computer, caused by electron.
all those protocols only offer shitty electron apps on desktop.
i have a top end m1 mbp and it can handle 2 electron apps running concurrently at best. i won’t even install electron apps anymore because i need to be able to actually use my computer for work. which is a bit ironic as most modern utility applications which would be useful for work can’t even be used on most computers unless run as the single active app (great workflow, lol!).
there is only really nheko in development among the non-electron alternatives and it’s unstable. can’t convince people to use software that only works half the time.
agreed. but chats are there to keep in touch, collaborate, and communicate. so we don’t have much of a choice, especially since most people just don’t care about security and stick with Messenger or similar. in my circles though, it’s a lot easier to convince someone to use Telegram unlike one of the many XMPP clients, and seeing as it runs natively, it’s my only real choice.
personally, I’d be all over DeltaChat if it wasn’t running on electron. brilliant idea for sure, as there would be no convincing necessary to keep in touch with practically anyone on the planet.
You can collaborate on WhatsApp or Signal as well, both messengers are using the end-to-end encrypted Signal protocol. Even in group chats. Telegram is not E2EE per default.
Of course, with WhatsApp Meta collects all your metadata so they have a very detailed network of basically all the people in this world… At least without all their messages.
both use Electron (which is the problem and why Telegram is literally the only modern option on the market) so they aren’t options either. If Electron wasn’t a problem in and off itself, I wouldn’t use either of those anyway since I could use DeltaChat, be secure, and not need to bother to “convert” anyone to use the client since it’s literally a chat client built on the email protocol (which everyone on earth has).
oh sure. ban the ONLY modern chat client not running on electron.
get fucked, spain!
Signal, Whatsapp and many Matrix Clients including the new Element X are not Electron based afaik
mobile is not the problem for many reasons. one being that apps offload so there is no system wide slowdown like you experience on a modern high end computer, caused by electron.
all those protocols only offer shitty electron apps on desktop.
i have a top end m1 mbp and it can handle 2 electron apps running concurrently at best. i won’t even install electron apps anymore because i need to be able to actually use my computer for work. which is a bit ironic as most modern utility applications which would be useful for work can’t even be used on most computers unless run as the single active app (great workflow, lol!).
There are many Matrix Clients that don’t run on Electron on Desktop.
Afaik Telegram desktop does use Electron so I assumed we were talking about mobile.
EDIT: Telegram desktop does in fact not use Electron.
there is only really nheko in development among the non-electron alternatives and it’s unstable. can’t convince people to use software that only works half the time.
Signal desktop client is actually Electron based. And AFAIK, Electron doesn’t run on Android, only on the desktop.
Electron does run on Android, see Element Android or Discord for example. I thought we were talking about mobile.
Are you sure about that? That would be surprising for me, as I had never before heard about Electron running on mobile.
A quick dive in Element Android’s dependencies didn’t reveal any mentions of Electron, but perhaps it’s referenced in some other way.
Telegram is a security disaster.
agreed. but chats are there to keep in touch, collaborate, and communicate. so we don’t have much of a choice, especially since most people just don’t care about security and stick with Messenger or similar. in my circles though, it’s a lot easier to convince someone to use Telegram unlike one of the many XMPP clients, and seeing as it runs natively, it’s my only real choice.
personally, I’d be all over DeltaChat if it wasn’t running on electron. brilliant idea for sure, as there would be no convincing necessary to keep in touch with practically anyone on the planet.
You can collaborate on WhatsApp or Signal as well, both messengers are using the end-to-end encrypted Signal protocol. Even in group chats. Telegram is not E2EE per default.
Of course, with WhatsApp Meta collects all your metadata so they have a very detailed network of basically all the people in this world… At least without all their messages.
both use Electron (which is the problem and why Telegram is literally the only modern option on the market) so they aren’t options either. If Electron wasn’t a problem in and off itself, I wouldn’t use either of those anyway since I could use DeltaChat, be secure, and not need to bother to “convert” anyone to use the client since it’s literally a chat client built on the email protocol (which everyone on earth has).
Caring about the technology of an app more than about its privacy is really strange to me, but you do you.
In what way?
Messages are only end-to-end encrypted if you use the Secure Messaging option. Otherwise everything passes the server in cleartext.
That means that anyone with access to those servers can read your messages.
closed source.
plain text unless activated.