The lawsuit seeks to upend a major part of Apple’s business.

The US Department of Justice and 16 state and district attorneys general accused Apple of operating an illegal monopoly in the smartphone market in a new antitrust lawsuit. The DOJ and states are accusing Apple of driving up prices for consumers and developers at the expense of making users more reliant on its iPhones.

  • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    8 months ago

    I mean no they won’t. Also, you being out of your element isn’t ad hominem; it questions the argument. You’re out of your depth on that one.

    • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
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      8 months ago

      Insulting me personally rather than attacking my argument is an ad hominem:

      Ad hominem (Latin for ‘to the person’), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a personal attack as a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent’s character or background. The most common form of this fallacy is “A” makes a claim of “fact,” to which “B” asserts that “A” has a personal trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going entirely off-topic, and hence “B” concludes that “A” has their “fact” wrong - without ever addressing the point of the debate. Many contemporary politicians routinely use ad hominem attacks, which can be encapsulated to a derogatory nickname for a political opponent.

      Source

      • _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyzEnglish
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        8 months ago

        Saying one is wrong, or doesn’t know what they’re talking about, is not ad hominem. Maybe it’s a language thing, but to me saying someone is wrong is equivalent to saying their argument is wrong. And saying someone is out of their element/depth is the same as saying they’re wrong on the subject, aka their argument is wrong.

        • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
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          8 months ago

          You don’t just say that I was wrong. You used a personal insult, and you even admit that you could have chose too not use an insult but chose to anyway, repeatedly. And, still, rather than use any evidence to make your argument, you can’t stop yourself from continuing to insult and bully.

          And YOU don’t get to choose what is insulting to ME. That’s some serious gaslighting DARVO shit.

          • _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyzEnglish
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            8 months ago

            A personal attack would be more like: “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl.”

            But nobody has told you that “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl.”

            If anyone actually did say “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl”, then I could understand you taking it as an ad hominem attack.

            Alas, I’m glad nobody here is sinking so low as to say to you that “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl.”

            • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
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              8 months ago

              So, you are so deluded as to think that saying it 4 times in that little tantrum “isn’t saying it”?

              I must’ve really upset you, which is ironic, because I was nowhere nearly as offended as you seem to be now. Which actually makes me feel much better. Lol.

              • _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyzEnglish
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                8 months ago

                I didn’t say “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl” to you, I said I’m glad that nobody said “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl” to you.

                Would you like me to say “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl” to you? I don’t want to kink shame if that’s your bag, you know, people denigrating you and telling you “You are such a whiny little bitch with a persecution complex and it’s apparent you are so lonely because nobody wants to put up with your bullshit irl”.

                Just let me know, either way.

                • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
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                  8 months ago

                  This is just DARVO, right out of the Narcissist abuser’s handbook

                  • Step 1. Deny. The process begins with adamant refusal to accept any responsibility or acknowledge having a role or any involvement in the harmful behavior or actions. The truthful account of the events is stridently rejected and minimized. Denial seeks to deflect blame. Consequently, it also implies that it is in fact the perpetrator who is being subjects to an injustice by being wrongly accused of something they did not do. Denial distorts or disregards the reality of a situation.
                  • Step 2. Attack. The second stage of DARVO involves character assassination with the aim of redirecting blame onto the person who confronted the perpetrator, scapegoating the innocent party and burdening them with accountability for the crimes of the aggressor. By shifting blame away from themselves, manipulators preserve their self-image, reputation, and/or position of power. It shields them from criticism and negative judgment. DARVO attacks often involve victim-blaming, distorting facts, minimizing the impact of their own actions, and exaggerating the faults of whoever confronts the perpetrator. The attack is essentially a smear campaign.
                  • **Step 3. Reverse Victim and Offender. **Once the character assassination has formed a critical mass of bystanders who are successfully deceived by the manipulator’s false narrative, the victim-survivors is subjects to the painful process of scapegoating. Thus the final stages of DARVO sees the victim cast as a villain, while the perpetrator is exonerated. The reversal of victim and offender relies on pre-existing biases, stereotypes, or prejudices. It is often used to animate bystanders into persecuting and punishing the victim-survivor.
                  • _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyzEnglish
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                    8 months ago

                    You shouldn’t self diagnose like that, Greg. I’d encourage you to seek professional help to work through any demons you feel you might have.

      • 0xD@infosec.pubEnglish
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        8 months ago

        They’re saying that you’re out of your depth because your argument does not align with reality, i.e., you have no idea what you are talking about. If they said “You have brown hair” or “You like listening to Swift” and invalidate your argument because of that, it would have been ad hominem.

        In this case, they just looked at what you said and noticed that you should learn more about it instead of acting knowledgeable.

        • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
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          8 months ago

          See, you’re describing how they said a personal insult, then you’re describing how they could have, instead, simply described what I said factually, without using an insult, and then you’re calling these two very different things the same while treating me like an idiot, expecting me to not notice the difference. Which is also insulting.

          It doesn’t matter how many times people try to explain that a very obvious personal insult isn’t one because it very clearly is. and repeating the insult only digs you deeper into that hole, as does repeatedly attempting to gaslight me.

          • 0xD@infosec.pubEnglish
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            8 months ago

            Your ego being hurt does not constitute an insult. They even explained why you are wrong in detail, but you completely disregarded it and started whining.

            • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
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              8 months ago

              My ego has nothing to with the other user using an ad hominem attack rather than attacking my argument with evidence. Nor you doing the same. It’s rather typical of narcissist to blame others for the things they themselves are doing. That seems rather contagious around here as of late.

              And you projecting your issues onto me rather than accepting you are wrong is again projection.

              And if I were the conspiratorial sort, I might think that employing the same, tired, narcissistic argument is strangely familiar of dev_null, but surely you have more self-control than to engage in the same hypocrisy that he accused me of by using multiple accounts from different instances to brigade this thread. Right? Lol that would be just too obvious and pathetic. Right?

              I couldn’t possibly have upset you that much could I? Lol.