• wanderwisley@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”

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      In my younger years I tried to make sense of the ‘God created humans’ thing by envisioning lots of aliens species with lots of gods, each catering for their own pets. Then I wondered if these gods would compete over who had the best pet, or would go to war with each other.

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        I don’t think sentient is the word you’re looking for, as animals have sentience.

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      I think we should be looking inter dimensionally for alien life rather than extraterrestrial.

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      People who are interested in aliens and UFOs rarely solely make this argument. Often, they’ve encountered or somehow know of these aliens.

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        That’s a bit of an oxymorinic argument those people use. If an inteligent species dropped by and had ONE look around, they would NOT turn on their high beams.

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          If an intelligent species was able to travel the distance to actually reach us that’d mean they are far far far far beyond our technological capacity. It’d be game over if aliens ever reached us.

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      Also given the scale of time of the universe. We as humans have only existed for a small amout of time on the vast scale of things.

      Countless alien civilizations may have existed and destroyed themselves, and may others may have not come into existence yet.

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        alien doesn’t necessarily mean sapient, humanoid or even anything larger than a walnut. if you took life on earth as a sample of the universe it would be much more likely for an alien lifeform to be a plant or bacteria. and even an animal is more likely to be an insect than a mammal-like animal, much less anything humanoid.

        (someone should look into the numbers my source is just vague memory at this point)

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        We are the evidence. Life can happen. It’s been proven. If it’s happening here, it’s crazy to think we are somehow special and it’s not happening somewhere else out there.

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      6 months ago

      “Earth First” is an interesting and compelling explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

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        I also agree with this statement, although it’s well within the realm of possibility that life on Earth was seeded by an ancient extraterrestrial civilization. That’s a timescale of a few billion years.

        But it’s still not as stupid as thinking that the supreme creator of the infinite universe has a personal interest in how you live your life.

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          That would make some sense if not for overwhelming proof of evolution of both, animals and nature that started out with pretty much nothing

          • LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world
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            I like to entertain the idea that something similar to mushroom spores were emitted throughout a part of space and mostly didn’t work but, where it did, life was ready to ride evolution all over again from just the basics. Just fun to think about. I’m not a witch, don’t burn me

      • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
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        What about the American people constantly complaining about aliens illegally entering their country? Explain this!

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    Well I’ve never seen air. Nor oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, the list goes on and on. I’ve never seen Ukraine, but I do believe there is some awful shit going on over there.

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      We can weigh all of those gases. We can also blow them up. We can also look at emissions spectrums. There’s a lot of ways to test gases. That’s why we know they exist.

      As for Ukraine… People have been there. There are pictures and videos. Thousands of years of history.

      I’m not sure if you’re joking or not because I’ve seen people with similar arguments.

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      But you’ve certainly directly interacted with all of them in some form or another.

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    A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.

    Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.

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        I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.

        I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.

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          It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.

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    If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient.

    The universe created life to experience its self. Or was the universe in its self already alive?

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      • Humans are born of the universe.
      • Humans are sentient.
      • Therefore, the universe is sentient.

      Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:

      • Humans are born of the universe.
      • Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
      • Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
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        He never said all of the universe is aware of all of itself.

        It could be possible that some believe the universe is a container for all things while others believe it is all things.

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          Well put, this was my training of thought as well.

          As a analogy, our body is the Universe. Our fingernails (the moon) do not experience themselves or have any awareness of their own existence. Our mind (a living thing) knows and experiences our fingernails and is aware of its own existence.

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            As far as I’m concerned, we’re atoms that understand we’re atoms. That’s the universe witnessing itself.

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        I would probably ask, what is God if not the Universe?

        I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?

        If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?

        That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.

        Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.

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          Great questions.

          These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.

          As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.

          • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
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            Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.

            That being said this one idea always resonated with me.

            The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.

            Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.

            “When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ

            I thought this was beautiful put.

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    Iamverysmart atheists understanding the nuances of religion and faith being an inherently irrational yet human response to existential dread challenge (impossible)

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    By that logic they saw a god. But I’d ask if they need a starship first. Then that would confirm if they were a god.