My friend works for a company which requires her to use Microsoft specific application, she didn’t really want to switch to Win 11 and choose to just use Wine Linux package and install a 2016 version of MS office on her Linux laptop. That’s all well and good, but this company she is working for servers other clients at pretty high up places and she is terrified that she using the pirated version of MS would create a liability for her company as if Microsoft wants to target pirated software, they hunt for organisations rather than individuals.
So, what should she do? Is there a way you can hide the fact that the excel sheet was created on pirated software, is it even possible to tell excel sheets apart which are using pirated software?
PS: If there is a way to destroy all metadata related to the excel sheets, it would be very helpful.
In the interim, as I know jobs are kinda hard to give up at a moment’s notice, OpenOffice has good compatibility with Microsoft file formats, as does Microsoft’s online suite of applications.
Do you mean OnlyOffice? OpenOffice is the old thing that LibreOffice is a fork of.
Maybe ask the company if they can get you an O365-Account, so you can just use the web version of it or install that as webapp.
Sorry to say, but employees cost so much money in salary, those few bucks for software licenses are just minor.
And even if they won’t, she can get a license herself and use that. It solves everything in one go
Never pay for software for your job unless you’re self employed. That’s the employers responsibility.
I’m going to assume that by the way you’re describing it, using an excel alternative is totally out of the question or simply not possible, but just in case it isn’t…
If you haven’t heard of it, check out LibreOffice.
I don’t think this is what she had in mind when she was thinking about changing metadata to look more legit.
Yep, hence the preface. Just offering up an alternative to using software they’re concerned about in case they don’t know they have the option. 🙂
To answer your first question : no, there’s absolutely no wat to determine if a version of Office is cracked or not by looking at the files made with said version. Tho Microsoft can see if a cracked version sends telemetry but they don’t care about it. You can use it freely. And honestly, LibreOffice is 1 to 1 compatible, you just have to install Microsoft’s proprietary fonts.
Idk about Excel/Calc, but LibreOffice Writer is definitely not 1 to 1 compatible with Word, not even close.
OnlyOffice is more compatible IMO
It’s rather the other way around, Word is not 1 to 1 compatible with LibreOffice Writer when it comes to document editing. Writer is far better on that aspect.
I love FOSS but LibreCalc sucks! Word is good, I did a project with it, I am pretty sure you can get the hang of it. Not sure about anything else tho
O365 web
Can she use Google sheet? You can download the sheet as Excel file.
No, stop, it is bad enough that she is editing company data on her personal machine, and now you want her to distribute company data to third party companies?
Why isn’t the company paying for it? Anyways, you could just export it to a different format and then back to Excel depending on which features you’re using. But also, I think this is being paranoid. Microsoft isn’t the NSA
PS: If there is a way to destroy all metadata related to excel sheets, it would be very helpful.
No, it would look like she is hiding sometjibg far worse.
It is an insane suggestion to even concider, it is far, far worse to have zero metadata than to have a bit of odd metadata.
If the sheets are tagged as being crested by s pirated version of excel then she could feign ignorance and pretend she has zero idea of what is going on, if the meta data is gone, she would be known as someone with something to hide.
Also, why the fuck is she editing company documents on her personal computer?
That is by far the main problem.
My friend works for a company which requires her to use Microsoft specific application
So the company needs to provide said friend with all the needed software.
*in the US, if they are w2. If contractor, they must provide the tools themselves.
… and hardware.
Absolutely!
I don’t know for other countries but here in Germany the employer - by law - has to provide the employee with everything the employee needs to do the job he’s hired for.
I boldly assume this is the case in most countries.
In the US, this is generally true if the person is an employee… however if they’re a contractor it’s up to them to provide their own stuff, including health insurance and such. It’s why contractors get paid more, they theoretically have to cover all the other expenses around providing their services.
Are they not providing the hardware and software for this? If so she should just use what they provide for work.
She has the option of using the online versions of Excel and Word if the company uses office 365.
Excel online is pretty bad if you compare it in terms of features.
Its actually the first time I hear of this and I work in IT. Still possible it flew over my head but I never imagined this to be the case. Pretty sure a million more people would be in jail if that were the case.
Microsoft (via third parties) absolutely do audits of companies as part of licencing conditions, but the result of noncompliance is not jail, it’s a bill.
We are talking about two wildly different things.
Indicators of pirated software in metadata of documents (which would probably make ms office immediately be outlawed by the EU bc of privacy violations) on my end.
The general licensing situation of ms and their customers on yours.
I know they make audits. I dont think you can get in trouble for using pirated ms software to work on documents though.
Still, the question remains why OP is working on company stuff on their private device. Sounds very much like they might be inexperienced and easily taken advantage of or just overeager, which isnt healthy either.
Can they find out?
No, not really. The Metadata doesn’t have a “pirated” flag and something like the product key doesn’t get saved. Microsoft themselves probably know due to their telemetry but even they can’t be bothered about it. I would bet that even you send a pirated document to the Microsoft CEO, they wouldn’t notice or even care enough to look for it.
But as always there is the important rule of “don’t fuck with work stuff, ever”.
It’s already questionable why she is editing company documents on here private PC without either a dedicated and remotely managed work particition + VPN or an O365 online work account. These documents fall under far stricter data safety regulations and the way it is right now, she is personally liable for any data leaks.
Fun fact: MS was onced caught using pirated audio software to create an audio file for (I think) Windows XP
she didn’t really want to switch to Win 11
On which computer? Her own?
Does not the company provide a PC with the tools needed? If yes, she has no right to decide what goes on it, the company does and she should respect that, doing what you want on a company PC can get you in serious trouble, way more serious than finding out you’re using a pirated version of Office.
If the company expects her to use her own PC, they should at least provide the needed software licenses, Office365 can be used on the web, no need to install anything and it can be used on Linux no problem.
BUT the serious problem remains of having company data on her own PC, the best thing to do in such a case would be creating a VM, encrypting the file system and keeping all company data contained inside the VM.
Tho in such a case I would change company, no serious company today would expect employees to keep company data freely on whatever personal PC, that could lead to data breaches, I would never want to be involved in case like that, tho I live in EU, we have very strict laws about data integrity and privacy, dunno about other countries.
I’m in the EU as well and am working for a company in the USA. They make us use our own computers for work - which includes installing time tracking software.
I am actively trying to get out of the company and do not recommend working for a company that makes you use your own device. Since they are only registered in the USA, I have no legal protection from the EU and my country of residence.
Sorry for the tangent, I just think it’s important for others to see as well.
Is that even legal?
It’s probably a very gray legal area. I’m no legal expert though
You said you are ‘in the EU’, as in currently living in the US for said job?
Are you considered an independent contractor? Or an actual employee of the company?
As a US citizen… I would just advise EU citizens to ‘in general’ avoid working for US companies, we have bad employment policies, and our companies think they can just do the same things in other countries. Obviously everyone should choose for themselves; if you think the extra income is worth it, that is your call, but our work culture is awful.
At the very least, if you do decide to work for a US company… keep it remote. Cost of living in the US is really high, work culture is awful, it’s dangerous, and healthcare costs are crazy. Unless your household is making at least $150k USD/year, you’ll be considered poor to middle-class.
I’m living in the EU and work remotely for a US based company.
I took the job as my I was unemployed. My contract came to an end at my previous company and they weren’t renewing any contracts unfortunately.
This job I’m working now pays $15.50 an hour and they are super strict (micromanagement on a whole other level) about what we do during that time. I posted about it here.
Fuck. That. Company.
Holy shit dude.
That device monitoring software can go to hell.
Currently trying to leave. I’ve got a side gig but it’s not bringing in enough to leave this job yet.
I completely understand being stuck there while looking.
My recommendation is silent quit. Just do your responsibilities and focus more on still looking.
If you must install that monitoring shit on your personal machine then I would recommend using a VM if possible.
You can do windows eval forever and try to use Libre office instead of open office.
I’ve been doing just enough to not raise any flags over the past month or so. A lot of my energy has gone into job hunting and growing my business
