I’m looking for an Apple MacBook Air M2 alternative that could run Linux.

I need something fanless, super lightweight with very long battery life. The only apps I use are Shotcut video editor, Chrome and Firefox.

Any advice?

Is it a good idea to get a MacBook Air m2 and use something like Asahi Linux or should I wait for arm linux laptops to become available.

  • bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    the m1 is fine with asahi. i don’t personally own one but i’ve worked on em in the past and its getting better by the day still.

    idk about the m2 but it seems fine. people complain about the battery life being worse on asahi.

    it’s gonna be years before arm laptops in general hit the scene in a big way and they’ll have the same problems that smartphones and sbcs have (weird non mainline kernel support, etc).

    that’s not to say it isn’t happening, just that it’s happening slowly. you want to be in the big common platform as the transition to arm happens and like it or not, that’s apple.

    if i were you i’d get the m2 and dual boot asahi. when its broke you still got the apple os that works fine.

  • d3Xt3r@lemmy.nzM
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    8 months ago

    I have an M1 MBA and it runs Asahi just fine, for the most part. And it should suit you well too, since you’re only going to use basic apps. Even if there are some limitations currently, you could always run Linux inside a VM such as UTM.

    But may I ask why do you want to run Linux, when you’re going to use only those three apps? Objectively, Linux wouldn’t be offering you much in your use case, and in fact if battery life is your primary concern, you’d be better off sticking with macOS. Another option could be a Chromebook.

    • ReallyZen@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      I use Asahi too, and at the moment the killing factor is battery depletion while sleeping (50% a day!). Performance wise, working with kdenlive is about on par with an i7 12th gen Intel chip (direct comparison between Thinkpad X1 i7 16g ram 2023 and mbp m2pro 16g ram) - nothing close to the power macos can leverage from the m chip but still perfectly usable. But frustrating in a way.

      If you install Asahi, it will be dualboot by default - why not trying it out? The install process is a delight, very well explained.

      As for hardware, the Air is pretty unique. There are other fanless stuff out there, but it’s gonna be cheap netbooks without the power to handle video work.

      I’d say give Asahi a try ; I love booting mine in front of people and looking at their confused faces when I spin the cube to move a wobbly window around (Though the big Fedora logo at startup is a bit of a giveaway)!

      Edit: also, you already own the hardware. Stop wasting money/resources, jut make it do what you want.

    • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      8 months ago

      But may I ask why do you want to run Linux

      If I had to guess, it’s because Linux doesn’t suck.

    • mFat@lemdro.idOPEnglish
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      8 months ago

      Thanks. I want to run linux because that’s what I’ve used for the past 15 years :) The company I work for has provided us with intel Macbooks, but rarely use it. Instead i do all my work using my own Thinkbook 14s Yoga running Fedora.

  • femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    8 months ago

    I don’t like apple as a company and their attitude towards repair makes it so i feel obligated to never recommend one of their products, but if you need it to be fanless, a macbook air is prolly your only really good option, honestly though an m1 should be just fine (I’m assuming your video editing workloads are pretty light), also i recommend checking out Just Josh on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtHm9ai5zSb-yfRnnUBopAg, he has some great laptop reviews

  • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Chromebooks or macbooks are your best bet. I believe top of the line Chromebooks are actually very good. If you put Linux on them they’ll be very capable.

    • BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Don’t buy a Chromebook for linux. While driver support usually isn’t an issue, the alternative keyboard layout is terrible for most applications. To even get access to all of the normal keys that many applications expect you need to configure multi-key shortcuts which varies in complexity based on your DE. In most cases it will also void your warranty because of the custom firmware requirement.

    • triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      it’s a “quantum leap” only in the original scientific meaning of “the smallest distance something can possibly move”

    • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      The only company that can achieve that kind of efficiency is Apple. I say this as a proud Apple hater.

      It is not about efficiency, we already know for some time that x86 is not really efficient compared to newer architectures like arm and risc.

      But no other ecosystem exists that can force such an architecture move without much much more problems.

      So i would rephrase it as “The only company that can force that kind of fundamental change on its user and developers is Apple”

      I am not saying it is a bad thing (just alone the rosetta translate layer is actually really impressive). Would love to have some actually good and mainstream arm options such as Linux Laptop.

      • aard@kyu.de
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        8 months ago

        Microsoft is trying the same - but royally screwing up how they deal with hardware partners. Performance wise the snapdragons they use are roughly a decade behind what Apple is doing - I have both systems for work projects.

        The x86 emulation in Windows is imo better solved than rosetta - but the rest of the stack is a mess. For example, the deployment tools only got arm support a few months ago.

        And Linux support on those things sucks - while using it on the M1 is great.

    • Lojcs@lemm.ee
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      8 months ago

      Apple silicon is in no way a ‘quantum leap’ over anything. Even arm’s general efficiency in low power situations diminish as it enters ultrabook territory

        • Lojcs@lemm.ee
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          8 months ago

          Where did you pull that from? Both amd and Intel has 20W class cpus that compete with base m-series cpus while being based on older nodes

            • Lojcs@lemm.ee
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              8 months ago

              OK it seems all ‘15W’ cpus from those brands boost much higher so the wattages aren’t as good as I thought but here are some that still compete:

              M3 - 3nm, 20W
              Amd 7840U - 4nm, 30W, 15% slower on single thread and 20% faster on multi thread.
              Intel 1365U - 10nm, 25-55W, 15% slower on multi thread

              • aard@kyu.de
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                8 months ago

                AMD can compete in performance and power/Watt mid to high load, but is shit with low load efficiency. intel has nothing at all. Apple scales nicely over the complete range.

                If you want a relatively small notebook with lots of RAM you also don’t have options (not really AMDs fault, but hardware manufacturers seem to produce mostly shit now). Framework is pretty much the only somewhat decent option with 64GB max, if you want more there’s pretty much only apple - which is way overcharging for that.

                • Lojcs@lemm.ee
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                  8 months ago

                  What’s the application of a laptop with more than 64GB of ram?

        • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          Because it doesn’t use x86. It also costs twice as much compared to other arm based laptops, because Apple.

            • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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              8 months ago

              I guess I need to be more clear.

              The reason it’s more efficient is because it doesn’t use x86. This is not exclusive to Apple. You can buy arm laptops elsewhere.

              The reason it costs twice as much is because it is Apple. This is exclusive to Apple.

    • Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
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      8 months ago

      I have a Surface Go 1 and I’m perfectly happy except for some mouse/bluetooth issues.

      It’s not powerful but it works perfectly for the browsing or writing that I’m doing.

  • wim@lemmy.sdf.org
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    8 months ago

    I bought a used gen1 Thinkpad X1 Nano. It is super light (<1kg), works flawless out of the box with Linux, and while I think it does have a fan I’ve never noticed it.

  • pr06lefs@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    The thinkpad-x13s-snapdragon is fanless and uses a qualcomm snapdragon processor, so an ARM like the macs use but lower performance. Batttery life is reputedly in the 20+ hour range.

    Caveats:

    • kinda pricey, 1K
    • this arm chip is slow compared to macs.
    • out of the mainstream so better do your homework on whether linux is well supported.

    Laptops based on the snapdragon elite processors will come out this year, and performance should be comparable to the Mx macs. So maybe better to wait. Although, those may be considerably more expensive, and who knows what linux support will be like, especially at first.

    • rotopenguin@infosec.pubEnglish
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      8 months ago

      It’s tricky enough getting hardware video encode to work on Linux with “this is just an Intel IGP, the exact same thing as every other Intel IGP”. Decode can even be tricky at times. I am very pessimistic about getting video editing software working on a system as far off the beaten path as a Snapdragon.

      If you stick with more mainline hardware, you have fallback positions like “use linux Davinci” or “dual boot Windows and use one of the gazillion tools there”, or “MacOS has its own cavalcade of media tools”.

      • Cwilliams@beehaw.org
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        8 months ago

        My budget for laptops has always been <$350. Why are you willing to spend so much on a laptop?

        • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl
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          8 months ago

          Cheap, or second hand laptops, aren’t as good as new laptops. Whether the difference is worth it is a matter of opinion, but the difference between a $350 machine and a $3500 machine is extremely obvious.

          • flashgnash@lemm.ee
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            8 months ago

            If it’s a ThinkPad second hand can be just as good if not better than new/modern I’ve found

        • kunaltyagi@programming.dev
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          8 months ago

          If it’s a revenue generating machine, the impact of 10 or 20% improvement in day to day could recoup the additional cost in a few months or a year.

          Similarly, for someone who travels a lot, having a useful battery life of 8-10 hours of internet+video playback allows a work routine that is worry free wrt charging and this allows tighter travel schedules.

          Ofc, this isn’t the case every time, but this creates anchor effect on several segments of the market. This also doesn’t include the extra cost of “luxury” aka thin and light or small bezels.

          350 USD is perfectly fine if you don’t need a ton of battery life or color accurate screen or multimedia or multicore workloads. If you need any of this, most of the options get pricier than 700 USD. It’s not uncommon to have to shell out 1500 USD or more for the desired specs.

      • ReallyZen@lemmy.ml
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        8 months ago

        With the advent of the m3, m2’s and m1’s still in inventory can be a steal, particularly 'Air macs which can be sub-1k easy. My mbp m2pro 16g was 1500. I’m not impressed by real-life macos performance tho, a lot of it is impressive in parts (blender rendering for instance) but everyday life is just the same… Yes, the same hanging Color Wheel Of Doom.

        I hope your 5k investment isn’t having sound playback hiccups because dropbox is trying to log in and refresh in the background. I am actually furious with the 10% of the time I have to use macos on this machine.

  • Aggravationstation@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    I had the Pinebook Pro. It was pretty good, solidly built, had a 1080p screen and could handle Openshot video editor, web browsing and video playback. All I needed.

    I didn’t have it hooked up to an external display but according to the website it can handle 4K playback. Mainly used it for listening to music in Cmus whilst browsing in Firefox.

    Battery life was pretty good, about 10 hours IIRC but mine just stopped booting after I left the battery dead for a few months.

    Might buy another one though https://pine64.com/product-category/pinebook-pro/

    • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      8 months ago

      Rip out the fan and connect the processor heatsink to a heatpipe

      Then carry around a cup of water to dip the heatpipe into

      This is not a bit, I am a real hardware designer

  • jhdeval@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I run an older dell xps 13. Its a bit under powered but most of my real work is done on a remote server.

  • AggressivelyPassive@feddit.de
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    8 months ago

    How about Chromebooks?

    You can put Linux on most of them and they’re perfectly capable of (even designed for) running Chrome and Firefox.

  • sfcl33t@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I use asahi on a MacBook air, and love it. The battery life on sleep mode has been improving but it’s nowhere near the voodoo Apple does to MacOs. I recently installed Linux on my Asus machine and found the process and community to be really helpful, so maybe that’s an option for you. Check out https://asus-linux.org/

      • sfcl33t@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        That’s awesome. My Asus uses a bit more I think but I never measured it. The MacBook air used to die in one day in sleep mode and now it’ll last almost two days, so progress!