This only makes sense under the assumption that if the land becomes Russian, the dying will stop. And that’s not guaranteed. Dropping down from dying to violence - that’s probably guaranteed to occur for a while if the land becomes Russian.
Why wouldn’t the dying stop? Russia is going to need as many workers as possible to rebuild and make up for military losses, on top of the preexisting population stagnation that was already dwindling their workforce. The worst case scenario imo is population transfer, and that’s not good, but I don’t see Russia being able or willing to waste a population boost from Ukraine.
Precisely. Even if the active war stops with Russia taking over Ukraine as a whole or in part, there would need to be repression against the non-conformant Ukrainian population. The fact that the Ukranians haven’t folded a long time ago and keep fighting means there’s a lot of people that would not be happy with Russian government and therefore they should be expected to resist if that happens anyway. Therefore the obvious need for repression. Therefore the continuation of dying and violence under hose conditions.
Russia’s been feeding their own people into meat-wave attacks that accomplish nothing but getting lots of their own inconvenient minorities and criminals killed. There’s a reason they’ve got such an atrocious demographic problem to “fix” with kidnapped Ukrainians in the first place. It’s understandable that Ukrainians would rather fight than fall under the control of such a system.
There has to be an independent UN investigation into the mass graves. Ukrainian investigators have a strong national interest in fabricating atrocity propaganda, just like the bullshit “investigations” getting churned out by Israel. We can’t just blindly trust either side of the war.
The sending of own working population into the meat grinder is the more interesting part of his question. It serves as a counterexample for the claim that Russia’s need for workers would prevent them from killing more workers. If that were true, they could have stopped throwing people into the meat grinder at any point in time.
That has never been the goal, at least not of the US. The goal has always been to drag the war on as long as possible to maximize the damage to Russia. That’s it.
The goal of the Democrats in the US has been to send much more aid much sooner than the Republicans. It’s the Republicans that want to see Ukraine fail and who are dragging out this stalemate.
This only makes sense under the assumption that if the land becomes Russian, the dying will stop. And that’s not guaranteed. Dropping down from dying to violence - that’s probably guaranteed to occur for a while if the land becomes Russian.
Why wouldn’t the dying stop? Russia is going to need as many workers as possible to rebuild and make up for military losses, on top of the preexisting population stagnation that was already dwindling their workforce. The worst case scenario imo is population transfer, and that’s not good, but I don’t see Russia being able or willing to waste a population boost from Ukraine.
Because Ukrainians wouldn’t just stop resisting.
Precisely. Even if the active war stops with Russia taking over Ukraine as a whole or in part, there would need to be repression against the non-conformant Ukrainian population. The fact that the Ukranians haven’t folded a long time ago and keep fighting means there’s a lot of people that would not be happy with Russian government and therefore they should be expected to resist if that happens anyway. Therefore the obvious need for repression. Therefore the continuation of dying and violence under hose conditions.
Yip. Russia would not stop until total control of occupied regions and surroundings was obtained.
And yet there’ve been plenty of mass graves filled with civilians in territory that Ukraine has taken back from Russia.
Russia’s been feeding their own people into meat-wave attacks that accomplish nothing but getting lots of their own inconvenient minorities and criminals killed. There’s a reason they’ve got such an atrocious demographic problem to “fix” with kidnapped Ukrainians in the first place. It’s understandable that Ukrainians would rather fight than fall under the control of such a system.
There has to be an independent UN investigation into the mass graves. Ukrainian investigators have a strong national interest in fabricating atrocity propaganda, just like the bullshit “investigations” getting churned out by Israel. We can’t just blindly trust either side of the war.
The sending of own working population into the meat grinder is the more interesting part of his question. It serves as a counterexample for the claim that Russia’s need for workers would prevent them from killing more workers. If that were true, they could have stopped throwing people into the meat grinder at any point in time.
There’s quite a difference between sending working age men off to war and just rounding them up for execution.
Tell that to all the people that have been killed and will be killed under russian occupation, you maniac.
You mean the people died because of the war?
Gosh if only there was a way to prevent that!
People that died in torture chambers, in civilan houses that got hit by rockets, people that have been deported or incarcerated because they have been deemed to be opposedto russian occupation.
Just onesuch example is written about here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/a-murdered-writer-his-secret-diary-of-the-invasion-of-ukraine-and-the-war-crimes-investigator-determined-to-find-it
Gosh if only there was a way to prevent that!
Also Israel does literally all of that and to an even greater extent, I say we declare war on Israel.
There is, give Ukraine the ability to defend itself and push Russia out.
That has never been the goal, at least not of the US. The goal has always been to drag the war on as long as possible to maximize the damage to Russia. That’s it.
The goal of the Democrats in the US has been to send much more aid much sooner than the Republicans. It’s the Republicans that want to see Ukraine fail and who are dragging out this stalemate.
Yeah
Russia could stop their invasion
But bloodthirsty fucks like you think it’s cool to watch the little guys die because you’re Rock-Hard for Russia of all countries
Pathetic tankies