Hang on, so sex work is work and we shouldn’t shame sex workers, but those who pay the sex workers for their services are gross misogynists? Gotta pick one.
That’s missing a key past of the argument, objectification. Do the game devs add women exclusively as eye candy or as interesting, complex characters? I haven’t played GTA5 so I legit don’t know.
Maybe her comment here was silly and misplaced, but I think the gaming community really has (had?) excessive misogyny. And it does tend to cater to men more than women. Look at any recent major AAA games, the top 50 best selling video games, top rated games of all time, etc. The overwhelming majority ether have a male protagonist or customizable character. Only a handful specifically have a female protagonist.
Most gamers aren’t gross misogynists, but there are plenty of ways game devs could better represent women as equals.
and there’s no scene where John Wick gets a lap dance. There are women who appear to be sex workers, and John Wick murders their bosses. The audience isn’t invited to participate in the objectification,
I do not agree that paying a woman for a lap dance is objectification if sex work is real work and should be respected. If sex work is bad and shouldn’t be respected then sure, that’d be a bad thing to pay for, but it can’t be both.
Right, then I responded to them, then you responded to me responding to them, and now we’re here. You said it’s missing part of the argument but it is the argument you jumped into, so “nuh uh” is what I’m saying.
Yes we should pay the fictional video game ladies who don’t exist for their sex work. I heard Rockstar programmed them into GTA V without paying them a dime! We should go on strike until they pay their NPCs a fair wage.
Well you could kill them and steal it back afterwards I suppose but you do have to pay the fictional game ladies fictional game money, yes. They need it for their fictional kids and to buy fictional food in the fictional grocery store, duh. What, you think they take USD?
They did pay the voice actors real money, and the fictional women use fictional currency. They are being paid both fictionally and IRL. Sucks to suck my guy, get good.
Btw I like that the root of your sarcasm is “No, stripping isn’t real work, real ones shouldn’t get paid because the fake ones only get fake currency.” You’re a weird dude.
there’s no scene where John Wick gets a lap dance. There are women who appear to be sex workers, and John Wick murders their bosses. The audience isn’t invited to participate in the objectification,
Here you directly state that getting a lap dance, i.e paying a sex worker for the service she sells, is objectification and you go on to accuse those who engage in such activity of being misogynists. This implies that sex work is not real work, a phrase meant to normalize sex workers and cut down on their judgement, as you can’t normalize something if all their customers are also bad people. It also implies you think sex work is something to look down on, likely from a place of “you’re better than that” rather than “dern whores,” but that’s still not very sex positive of you.
You can say dumb shit about your pixel strawman all you want, but putting sex workers as helpless dolls that need to be saved by the hero isn’t as progressive as you think it is.
Hang on, so sex work is work and we shouldn’t shame sex workers, but those who pay the sex workers for their services are gross misogynists? Gotta pick one.
That’s missing a key past of the argument, objectification. Do the game devs add women exclusively as eye candy or as interesting, complex characters? I haven’t played GTA5 so I legit don’t know.
Maybe her comment here was silly and misplaced, but I think the gaming community really has (had?) excessive misogyny. And it does tend to cater to men more than women. Look at any recent major AAA games, the top 50 best selling video games, top rated games of all time, etc. The overwhelming majority ether have a male protagonist or customizable character. Only a handful specifically have a female protagonist.
Most gamers aren’t gross misogynists, but there are plenty of ways game devs could better represent women as equals.
I do not agree that paying a woman for a lap dance is objectification if sex work is real work and should be respected. If sex work is bad and shouldn’t be respected then sure, that’d be a bad thing to pay for, but it can’t be both.
Wrong person, that was someone else that said that
Right, then I responded to them, then you responded to me responding to them, and now we’re here. You said it’s missing part of the argument but it is the argument you jumped into, so “nuh uh” is what I’m saying.
OK but your “nuh uh” didn’t address anything I added to the conversation.
Sex work good
Treating all women as just sex objects bad
In the video game, are all women just eye candy/sex appeal/sex workers?
Or do the game devs know that women have more to offer than sex and show that?
You’re reducing the argument to one action, lap dances. But the argument is about the overall attitude towards women.
Wait you think the only women in the entire game are in this one strip club?
Yes we should pay the fictional video game ladies who don’t exist for their sex work. I heard Rockstar programmed them into GTA V without paying them a dime! We should go on strike until they pay their NPCs a fair wage.
Well you could kill them and steal it back afterwards I suppose but you do have to pay the fictional game ladies fictional game money, yes. They need it for their fictional kids and to buy fictional food in the fictional grocery store, duh. What, you think they take USD?
But sex work is real work. Rockstar should pay them real money.
They did pay the voice actors real money, and the fictional women use fictional currency. They are being paid both fictionally and IRL. Sucks to suck my guy, get good.
Btw I like that the root of your sarcasm is “No, stripping isn’t real work, real ones shouldn’t get paid because the fake ones only get fake currency.” You’re a weird dude.
The pixels and boob meshes should get paid real money.
Here you directly state that getting a lap dance, i.e paying a sex worker for the service she sells, is objectification and you go on to accuse those who engage in such activity of being misogynists. This implies that sex work is not real work, a phrase meant to normalize sex workers and cut down on their judgement, as you can’t normalize something if all their customers are also bad people. It also implies you think sex work is something to look down on, likely from a place of “you’re better than that” rather than “dern whores,” but that’s still not very sex positive of you.
You can say dumb shit about your pixel strawman all you want, but putting sex workers as helpless dolls that need to be saved by the hero isn’t as progressive as you think it is.
I also think someone should murder the insurance workers’ boss.
Mhmm that’s 'cause of all that violent imagery no doubt.
No, I pick both.
No you pick your nose. It’s true I saw you eat it afterwards.