cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/58870060
I’ve been using Samsung Internet for a very long time, knowing it isn’t the best one for privacy. However, the user experience with it is, for me, unmatched by any other browser, including Vivaldi, Brave, and any Firefox forks.
So here’s what I’m looking for in a browser:
preferably FOSS
some control on privacy setting, less trackers/fingerprinting, etc. Doesn’t have to be the most hardened.
decent dark mode for web pages (Dark Reader is OK)
bottom search bar
bottom tabs bar rather than tab switcher
a quit button I don’t have to tap and scroll 2 times to find. Ideally it’d be placed on the main bottom bar
the quit button must clear cache and close all tabs, so I think it should be native and not an extension, but maybe I’m wrong?
Is there any browser that can give me that?
I’d love using Fennec as my main - and God knows I’ve tried multiple times to - but missing some of those feature mad it hard for me to leave Samsung Internet behind. ATM I’m using both browsers BTW.
Any suggestion is appreciated!
Don’t think I’ve ever used the default Samsung browser… Not intentionally, at least. Firefox Mobile has been fine for me. It has basic plugin support, do you can run unlock origin with it, too.
Ironfox is nice, thats what I personally use. Its more secure than base Firefox (and importantly for me its in Accrescent)
I’m OK with using Fennec, probably. I’ve used Mull before, which I think is where Ironfox comes from.
What do you like about Ironfox that, you think, is not in other FF forks? And what’s Accrescent?
Its a secure app store thats easy to install on GraphineOS (secure rom)
I use Ironfox and Fulguris (for when something doesn’t work in IF). They’re both good. Ceno is also interesting for its p2p/ anti-censorship features, although it’s slow when not on wifi.
I use duck duck go browser as my main and default browser, and I press the burn it all button regularly. It offers to exclude sites from the data purge if you log in, but for the three or so websites that I want to stay logged in to fill time, I just use Opera for them.
regardless of your browser choice make url check your default link handler to unshort urls and remove query parameters
I was with you till “browser choice”. Mind explaining?
Whichever browser you end up choosing. I use Vivaldi quite happily.
No I meant I didn’t understand the part about link handler, short, unshort, query etc. Lol sorry
If you’ve got a link, I’d appreciate it
Oh, I see what you mean.
https://triangularapps.blogspot.com/search/label/UrlChecker?m=1
You can set this as your default application whenever you click a link, and it’ll let you strip off the tracking bits and stuff before you go to your browser or whatever.
Thanks a lot!
I had been using Samsung Browser for a while. With the latest push by Google to retire Manifest v2 in Chromium, and also not wanting to feel like I need to stick with Samsung for my next device (hopefully not for another long while), I switched to Firefox mobile.
To be honest, I hated it. The interface is pretty clunky, it would keep just pulling up my keyboard at random times when browsing pages, it doesn’t seem to work reliably with Android’s native back button, and despite me having my preferences set to reopen my last used tab when launched, it keeps bringing me to the blank home/new tab page (blank because I disabled all of the Mozilla bloat).
I like that it has extensions, though Bitwarden doesn’t seem to work well in Firefox mobile (I just use the Bitwarden app on my phone instead, which is ok).
I missed having the separate bottom nav bar like Samsung Internet allows, but did learn that one exists in Firefox Nightly, so I switched to that version and have been doing my best to get used to it. It stinks a bit that Firefox is not nearly as customizable as Samsung internet, but at least with the nav bar, it’s familiar enough for my muscle memory to deal with for now.
I guess everyone hates the nav bar though, the general consensus I’ve read online is that people want to keep everything hidden in the “More actions” menu, so if they end up removing the nav bar entirely I may look for something else.
I was tempted to try Brave, even. But with all of the sketchy crypto shit, unfortunately right-wing leadership, and still using Chromium as its backend, that ended up being a hard no for me.
Never seen any of those Firefox problems in 5 or so years on multiple Android phones including Samsung, and using the native back button/3-icon setup instead of gesture nav. Also using a light combination of privacy plugins. May want to check your phone OS settings and make sure there isn’t a third-party app running an unknown display overlay that is screwing with things.
To offer another take, FF has never been buggy for me. Never had this keyboard issue, or any of the stuff mentioned so your mileage may vary.
As for the bottom nav, I have that on normal FF. If you go to Settings–>Customize, the option to pick top or bottom address bar is right there.
Not the address bar, but nav bar. I like to keep the address bar at the top, with the nav bar at the bottom.
Standard Firefox:
My setup in Samsung Internet:
Firefox Nightly:
So it’s just the forward/backwards buttons you want at the bottom?
That’s so interesting. I can’t say I ever use the forward button when browsing and for backwards I just use the back gesture (same as any other app).
But thanks for the screenshots. I didn’t even know people use that sort of setup.
FF should offer it then, if that’s something people use/expect as a norm.
I had a Fold4 and now have an s25 Ultra and had none of those issues with Firefox either. Works just fine for me and I even have some extensions I’ve put on that aren’t technically supposed to work in the mobile browser so I was fully expecting some jank. But still works fine.
I didn’t know FF Nightly had a bottom nav bar, and I just tried it a couple months ago. I guess it’s new?
I understand some may not like it, but I hope they keep it as an option at least!
I’m going to suggest an alternative to Samsung Internet or Firefox : https://github.com/uazo/cromite
Out of the options I’ve tried, it’s probably the best bet for reducing tracking, fingerprinting & increasing security without turning to Tor browser (which while it is more anonymous, is frustrating for general browsing)
For clearing cache, there are two options. There’s a dedicated clear browsing data button in the hamburger menu, it can also be configured to “sanitize on close” (similar to Firefox on desktop, or Brave on desktop / mobile) [In cromite, this can be found under Security > Clear the data at open]
I can’t recommend Firefox on Android in good faith, until site isolation (fission) is enabled on the platform. This is a major security regression compared to desktop Firefox, or chromium based browsers on Android
I use fennec, it’s just firefox without current bs of firefox going on
the quit button must clear cache and close all tabs, so I think it should be native and not an extension, but maybe I’m wrong?
This is the closest Firefox add-on that I could find: Essential Buttons Toolbar and Homepage
Samsung Internet is my favorite, but I am also a lil weirdo. Firefox is my second favorite to merge between devices, as well as connecting with the Pocket app to save things for later.
Firefox is by far the best Android browser.
Duck Duck Go browser has the ability to easily clear history
Brave for me.
Have you tried Waterfox? It satisfies most of your requirements, I believe.
Firefox is available on F-Droid under the name of Fennec.
Just to clarify, Fennec is a privacy-focused fork, kind of in the same vein as libreWolf but not as extensive. Since LW isn’t available on mobile, Fennec seems to be the next best thing.
Vivaldi is very close, it’s only missing the FOSS requirement which I’m guessing is one OP would be willing to compromise on.
Your guess was correct. However, as I’m currently testing both browsers, it seems like the uBlock extension in Fennec (or any FF fork) is way superior to any filter in Vivaldi. So Fennec still on top for me.
What I found out is that Vivaldi’s filter (even uBlock and AdGuard ones) can’t block sponsored posts, while uBlock extension, apparently, can
To quit in Firefox I have to tap to open a menu, then scroll down twice, then tap “quit”.
(Just replying in this thread since I can no longer access your other thread.)
I think the reason I overlooked this as an issue is because I have a phone with a 21:9 aspect ratio. The entire menu is always available, I never have to scroll to find things. I went back to a couple of my older phones with 18:5:9 and 16:9 aspect ratios and I can see what you’re talking about now. The shorter your screen is, the more this becomes an issue. Although on all of them it’s still only a single scroll so I’m not sure why you are being forced to scroll down twice.
It is yes, one of the reasons why I would recommend Firefox over Vivaldi (or any Chromium browser).
True true. There’s also GrapheneOS’s Vanadium browser to keep an eye on, but so far I don’t think it’s usable outside of GOS without jumping through some hoops. Personally not a fan of Chromium-based browsers so I haven’t done much digging outside of the Firefox ecosystem though tbf.
