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      How come whenever someone brings up Tiananmen Square to you, you just wanna blame Americans but don’t ever talk about the fact human beings were run over by tanks or shot at? Why is that never part of your conversation?

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          I’ve read this the last time you posted it. Nothing is said here literally. There is no verifiable information that proves any narrative you’ve asserted and it doesn’t even talk about the event or why tanks were in the square at all. Why were the tanks there?

          Beyond that. Yes people absolutely were run over by tanks.

          http://www.cnd.org/June4th/photos/mascr016.gif

          why were there armored vehicles in the square?

          https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/12/chinese-barbarity-at-least-10000-people.html?m=1

          and where are Fang Zheng’s legs?

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fang_Zheng

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            I’ve read this the last time you posted it. Nothing is said here literally.

            The fact that you say that clearly shows that you’re just here to troll and not interested in having a genuine discussion of the subject. You just want to peddle your atrocity propaganda here. Again, how morally bankrupt does one have to be to shill for the empire like that.

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              Argue the content stop running away you do this every time which is why it happens this way. Proving you a liar isn’t trolling.

              So why were tanks there? Where are that man’s legs? Explain these photos? Why were the students in the square? What were they hunger striking for?

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                I’m not running away form anything. I’ve explained to you that US tried to run a color revolution in China which failed. I’ve provided you with a source that documents the chain of events and references primary sources documenting these events. The reason the students were in the square is explained in great detail in the link I gave you and you obviously failed to read (twice by your own account).

                Here’s a different source with even more information, and even some pictures for people with poor reading comprehension https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/

                So maybe take your own advice, stop running away and start engaging with the actual facts instead of doing low effort trolling.

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                  lmfao everyone look at this shit

                  that link is so desperate for proof. They link articles from Wikipedia, Wikipedia will also inform you the Massacre happened.

                  It quotes these articles, this is also what you find throughout both links he provided.

                  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm

                  There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre.

                  The shorthand we often use of the “Tiananmen Square protests” of 1989 gives the impression that this was just a Beijing issue. It was not.

                  Protests occurred in almost every city in China (even in a town on the edge of the Gobi desert).

                  What happened in 1989 was by far the most widespread pro-democracy upheaval in communist China’s history. It was also by far the bloodiest suppression of peaceful dissent.

                  James Miles is now the Beijing correspondent of The Economist, and author of The Legacy of Tiananmen: China in Disarray (University of Michigan Press, 1996).

                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

                  Some have found it uncomfortable that all this conforms with what the Chinese government has always claimed, perhaps with a bit of sophistry: that there was no “massacre in Tiananmen Square.”

                  But there’s no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing. Maybe, for some, comfort can be taken in the fact that the government denies that, too.

                  This story was filed by CBS News correspondent Richard Roth, who was detained by Chinese authorities for 20 hours on June 4, 1989, while covering the Tiananmen Square “crackdown”.

                  The entire argument is no media personnel saw the events in Tianamen Square, THE SPECIFIC SQUARE, so calling it the Tiananmen Square Massacre is a lie since nobody saw anyone be massacred in THE SPECIFIC SQUARE. But read the accounts yourself, they say absolutely there was a very violent crackdown and many people were killed.

                  These are links YOU provided and this is all you find on these two links YOU provided. It is so weak flimsy and pathetic. Sure nobody saw a massacre in the square specifically but we know it was a bloody crackdown.

                  Where are Fang Zheng’s legs bro?

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fang_Zheng

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    Did something special happen? Haven’t they been targeting ships for a while now. The article didn’t clarify imo

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        I’m just surprised they’re still writing articles about individual attacks especially if nothing more special happened

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          It just shows that Yemen is still interdicting ships and that US isn’t able to do anything about it. That of itself is noteworthy.

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            I mean it’s showing they haven’t completely stopped them for sure but I’m not sure if someone expected them to.

            That of itself is noteworthy.

            Ehh I dunno. It’s not like every single terrorist attack in Iraq was noteworthy, at least not international news noteworthy imo.

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              They literally accomplished nothing. US hasn’t managed to protect a single ship to date. Meanwhile, countries participating in the genocide are seeing real economic damage as a result of the blockade. The fact that US is no longer able to project power the way it used to is very much noteworthy.

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                How do we know their strikes haven’t protected any ships, that is, preventing any strikes from happening?

                Not to mention, what about the failed strikes their defence systems (against their ships) that they have succesfully defeated? They’ve shot down some missiles from what I remember. Or do you just mean civilian ships?

                The fact that US is no longer able to project power the way it used to is very much noteworthy.

                They have quite a few naval ships and planes I think Yemen right now?

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    Firing on innocent merchant ships is despicable regardless of which country they’re owned by. The crews on those ships aren’t the ones perpetuating a genocide.

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      Nobody is forcing these ships to sail through the sovereign territorial waters of Yemen which is where they are being interdicted.

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        The al-mandeb falls under the general regime of international straits, so no adjacent country can use their territorial claims to prevent passage of ships. Or are you one of those nine dash line kind of people?

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              Once you bother actually reading your link, you’ll note the part about innocent passage there. Yemen considers itself to be at war with Israel and the entities backing it.

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                Everyone else on the planet considers merchant ships to be innocent passage by default regardless of cargo or destination. I can smell the copium through my screen, and I’m not sure why you so badly want to defend the attacks against unarmed vessels that are not even carrying weapons. Find a better hill to die on.

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                  Innocent merchant ships from countries that aren’t participating in a genocide, such as ones from China, have no problems getting passage regardless of cargo or destination. All the western countries have to do is to stop participating in a genocide of Palestinian people.

                  Seems like all you’re doing here is projecting your own copium onto others. If the hill you’re choosing to die on is that there shouldn’t be any consequences for committing a genocide, then what else is there to say about you.

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      UK ships have literally been posing as Chinese ones recently to try getting through lol

      Russian and Chinese ships are being let through for the most part since they’ve stopped supplying “israel” through the red sea as the Yemeni government has decreed.