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Biden Calls Chinese Electric Vehicles a Threat to American Shareholders. FTFY.
Well, they do tend to catch fire or explode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
Or just left to rot in order to sound as if they are being used en masse. But do not believe me, believe your eyes.
It seems like the “cars tracking you” problem is a very real and very serious thing that should obviously be legislated separately of electric vehicles or country of manufacture.
I got a Mazda recently, and I was reading all the ownership paperwork, and the guy asked me what I was looking for. I said “I’m looking for the language about what data Mazda is collecting about me.” And the guy laughed and said there’s nothing in the paperwork about that. They just do it. You can’t shut it off.
Question: Who is paying for all these 5G Cell connections that ‘every car has’? How is my data getting from my car in my garage to (Brand name)? I sure as shit am not giving my car my wifi password.
Amazon did a thing where if your wifi is down Alexa can connect to a neighbors Alexa which will relay the message to the server.
I imagine a car could do the same much easier, you pull up to the lights next to a car from the same manufacturer and it relays all your telemetrics.
It’s time for an open source car.
Car manufacturers are. They probably get a bulk discount on relatively cheap data plans. It was enough for GM to keep OnStar running until Verizon got rid of supporting all 2G and 3G service in the USA.
Do we know how long they are paying for that connection?
I can’t imagine that’s cheap. Is a 2016 car internet connected without my notice? How do you confirm?
No, but the Wikipedia article seems to indicate that OnStar has the ability to store GPS and phone contact information even if you aren’t subscribed.
Also, I can’t imagine that buying several millions of data connections would be that expensive, especially if all that those connections are doing are sending out a ping of reports once a month.
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Will the solution be public transportation infrastructure so cars aren’t needed?
- Toshiba
- Alstom
- Huawei
Bullshit States of Amerigoo finding ways to relabel racist protectionist agendas…
We’re in the middle of a technological cold war.
EVs are a security threat, but meddling in foreign wars and aiding genocide isn’t.
5G, garlic, cars…
I know this may seem like an unusual concept to capitalist America, but having more competitors drives down prices.
Low prices aren’t always a good thing. Especially for the working class when those low prices are on imported goods that replace the products these workers used to make. I thought we already learned that neoliberal policies aren’t so hot for workers.
No one has learned anything. The people who knew outsourcing was anti-worker were proven correct, but it didn’t matter.
Part of the problem with the EV market in the US right now is that the majority of models available are luxury cars in price. You can get a used Nissan leaf for ~16k, but issue with that is their driving range can be anywhere between 80-100 miles (works great for errands and daily commuting). Not even gonna mention the headache of figuring out the charging port type(seems NACS format is winning the market).
I have long maintained China is a security threat, but I am excited for the news because it will (hopefully!) push US auto makers to make more affordable models with 200+ mile range.
Do American next.
Tesla is also a security risk like all others
You see, Teslas are controllable by CIA while Chinese cars are not
You jest but I still trust them more than the CCP.
Nah, I wouldn’t trust them either.
I think people are misunderstanding my comment. I don’t trust either, but I’m worried about one more than the other given national interests and where I live.
You live in China?
What do you imagine China is going to do to you from the other side of the world? Feed you targeted ads? Attack you with Havana Syndrome or turn you into a Manchurian Candidate via 5G?
Do things that benefit China and only China at the expense of North America.
Sounds like a good thing for rest of the world.
The thing that benefits China and only China is good for the rest of the world?
I disagree but ok
China increases PPP of every single country in the world. And it does not commit genocides or invent wars overseas. It does not even matter if it is direct or not, but them ensuring “Century of Humiliation” against 8 Nation Alliance powers is revenged benefits every single country colonised by Britain.
Also unironically your country should be rendered so incapable you people need to take loans from Uganda and get colonised by them. Almost no American is worth supporting or sympathising with at this point.
This is something that bothers me. I see EVs as future and a next step in car evolution, but why all of them have to be connected? Why most people don’t have problem with it? I’m not talking about Chinese cars, but all of them.
20 years ago if you would say a car could be hacked one would laugh and say that this only happens in sci-fi movies, now this is a reality. And that’s not the only threat, there’s a huge implication with privacy. Why people are so not caring about it?
The people that do care the most have a choice to use older cars and that reduces resistance now.
I think it’s simply that there’s not much we can do about it
So true, it’s either buy a car which steals all of your data or don’t buy a car at all. Which isn’t really a choice for most of us
How many people use smart devices? On the door, tv, Alexia? People “want” to be hacked.
They don’t “all” have to be connected, the vast majority of available global models aren’t (IE a lot of the affordable Indian/Chinese models).
The vast majority of models sold in the USA are IE Tesla. More affordable models like the Renault Zoe afaik aren’t but I’m not sure how accessible these are in the USA. I’m not sure about the Chevvy Volt tbh… Consumers can purchase to buy a non-connected vehicle.
Out of the EVs I have I mostly use the one that is connected so I can do automations to turn on climate control etc. Connectivity is a convenience/safety thing for me and I assume others…
Because it is easy.
That is it. It is easy and cheap to make cars connected because of abysmal lack of regulation and the massive IoT chip industry
Integrating wireless radios into products is standard by now and chips required to do anything but 5g are extremely cheap. GPS is also dirt cheap. The biggest costs by far are design hours and certification.
Then they can make money because of the software “features” that only take man hours to develop as well as sell your tracking days after the fact. Together with the fact that if the market says that most people want those convenience features and couldn’t care less about their valuable data as we have seen through every tech industry, there is little reason NOT to put in those features, especially when it enables OTA car firmware updates also.
“We need to reduce carbon emissions!”
“No not like that!”
Haha. It’s just silly. I know nothing about the actual story.
EV’s are bad for the American OPEC monopoly
American OPEC monopoly
What the hell does that even mean? The USA aren’t even part of the OPEC1, how are they supposed to be in the “OPEC monopoly”? Or do you mean Venezuela with America? And why monopoly? OPEC/ OPEC+ are only responsible for 30-40%2 of crude production, that is a weird monopoly.
1 https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/about_us/25.htm
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was founded in Baghdad, Iraq, with the signing of an agreement in September 1960 by five countries namely Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. They were to become the Founder Members of the Organization.
These countries were later joined by Qatar (1961), Indonesia (1962), Libya (1962), the United Arab Emirates (1967), Algeria (1969), Nigeria (1971), Ecuador (1973), Gabon (1975), Angola (2007), Equatorial Guinea (2017) and Congo (2018).
2 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61188579
…Together, Opec+ countries produce about 40% of all the world’s crude oil.
America controls Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq and Venezuela. Only Iran falls outside and if they start doing naughty things they are going to get invaded.
America is the largest oil producer in the entire world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
Country Oil production September 2023 (bbl/day)
United States 12,900,000[8]
Russia 9,480,000[9]
Saudi Arabia (OPEC) 9,060,000[9]
Canada 4,778,973[10]
America is the largest oil producer in the entire world
So, still no monopoly. Even IF we counted OPEC as “American OPEC monopoly” they together would only account for 50-60% of crude oil production. Far away from a monopoly, maybe you should read up on the term monopoly.
America controls …
And even then, OPEC most of the time acts against US interests. Crazy how big the “control” and influence the US has over these countries and OPEC then. They have so much control that even Russia is part of OPEC+ since 2016. AMERICA STRONK!
Ah, yes. America with its magic wand controlling everything and everyone! Just yesterday evening Biden made me snort three lines of coke.
Yes they kill governments that try to nationalize their oil which could drive down prices. Gadaffi in Libya is a great recent example.
Let the US lock itself from the world, that should work.
Best possible thing that could happen going forward.
China isn’t the world though. The CCP has isolated China more than they’ve done anything else. No real allies, no geopolitical trust etc.
Your imperial core chauvanism is showing. It is the Global North which is isolating itself.
China is deeply integrated with the Global South, which is the majority of the the world’s people, industrial capacity, and natural resources.
The Statesman: The West versus the Rest
Geopolitical Economy Report: ‘Western dominance has ended’, EU foreign-policy chief admits, warning of ‘West against the Rest’ geopolitics
Debt colonialism doesn’t equate to the kind of cross bonding and trust that leads to actual solid alliances.
China’s naked imperial ambition gets in the way of it ever actually establishing meaningful, trust-based ties with other nations.
These countries take advantage of infrastructure loans, but the reality of what China is actually doing (screwing these countries with debt they can’t pay then taking back the infrastructure in order to establish a foothold globally) is sinking in with these countries.
Belt and Road is simply a way of using debt to sieze land that China can’t take through brute force. Has absolutely nothing to do with “western chauvinism”, the CCP is toxic to geopolitical progress, especially if you are actually concerned with helping developing countries grow into independent, stable and self-sufficiency.
Please do not use this map projection. It is unambiguously trash. It distord shapes way to much. There are much better equal area projections, like Eckert IV or mollweide
You actually believe this? Two words: Belt and Road.
Soon you’ll find out that the West is not the world and it is the one isolating itself.
Belt and Road is just debt colonialism. They’re screwing the countries that they push their debt into. No, the CCP is bad for the world and for China and are the reason they are isolated geopolitically.
Belt and road is failing and being abandoned as the Chinese economy contracts. They failed to get over the middle income trap and are on the way back down.
You are thinking of the infrastructure in your country.
What cope-based media are you getting this from?
