The longer I’ve watched democrats and republicans function, the more it looks like Republicans are the bus that Democrats are throwing America under.
That’s the default setting for Democrats in every situation, until there’s a whiff of class solidarity in the air. Then the Democrats suddenly become the most powerful force imaginable, able to tank campaigns and careers with a phone call.
Looks like they’re sticking to their guns.
Democrats and being pushovers. Name a better duo.
Now is the time to shut it down. Republicans are hugely unpopular right now.
“There’s nothing we can do!”
-Democrats as they rubber stamp a fascist agenda
Fucking Christ! You don’t have leverage? Withholding your fucking votes is leverage! Let it shut down.
Brave Sir Robin ran away. Bravely ran away away. When danger reared it’s ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about And gallantly he chickened out. Swiftly taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat. Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Robin!
Spineless
I’ve said this before (fucking search my comment history if you dare), Both parties are two sides of a shit sandwich (yes, the republicans are the side where the actual turn is in). We need a 3rd party to compete, and actually organize to push both of these parties out. Won’t be overnight, but we can – and should, do it.
“Senate Democrats appear ready to back down”
Full stop, no need to further qualify that…
If they didn’t have people to their left to stand against, it would be a tautology.
“Senate Democrats
appearready to back down”Fixed it.
There are very few Democrats. The Republicans became Fascists and most Democrats became corporate sellout Neo-Republicans.
An important thing you all need to understand about the Filibuster: it’s not the final vote. It’s basically a vote to stop talking and hold a vote. So all the Democrats can do with a Filibuster is delay (perhaps indefinitely).
But as a wise Canadian philosopher once noted: “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”. What to Democrats gain by delaying this indefinitely? Without some action, the government gets shut down. All they gain is a closed government and a bunch of fingers pointed at them. Republicans know this, and will not give any concessions for Democratic votes.
The best move is to allow the vote, and then vote against the actual bill. They make their objection known, but still allow the government to stay open.
But as a wise Canadian philosopher once noted: “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”.
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Now it’s stuck in my head.
Didn’t hurt the Republicans every time they threatened a shutdown when the Democrats were in power. And if the Dems think they can get some concessions from the R’s by forcing the country to get hit, then it might be worth it to stop some crazy shit in the long run.
They will get no concessions, because Republicans do not care if the Federal government shuts down. They want to drown it in the bathtub. Republicans are effective weaponizing the government shutdown because they know they don’t care, and Democrats do.
However, government shutdown in general are very unpopular. When Republicans go there, their immediate popularity takes a hit. The problem is that American voters have short memories, and are likely to forget before the next election.
They will get no concessions, because Republicans do not care if the Federal government shuts down.
A shutdown is preferable to expediting this and giving republicans an earlier opportunity to move on to other, worse legislation. Thought democrats were about harm reduction. Guess that was just a lie to get people to vote for their pro-genocide candidates.
Thank you for being the most rational person in this discussion so far.
I mean it did to an extent, but voters forgot by election time. Since we’re far off from one I agree with the overall sentiment though.
The lawmaker said Democrats are worried they would get the blame for a shutdown if they voted to defeat the House bill. The House is out of session for the rest of the week, upping the pressure on Senate Democrats.
Voters haven’t punished Republicans for their numerous shut downs. But that said, voters are always more likely to blame Democrats for anything at all.
In the article there are definitely some interesting points. Like how Elon would probably use the shut down to fire even more people. Or Trump would use it to take even more power from Congress.
I still think the Democrats need to stand firm and refuse to vote for it, make Republicans pass it via reconciliation. Shut it down if necessary. But there’s definitely a lot of possibly terrible outcomes to a shut down to consider.
The Republicans literally control the entire government. Everything that is happening is their fault and if the Democrats feel like that won’t be the case they suck at their fucking job.
They don’t control the entire government in this context. That’s why they need Democrat votes.
As for fault: the spending bill is in itself reasonable. Refusing to vote for it may be the optimal strategy (I don’t know) but it doesn’t look great.
But they can pass it via reconciliation via simple majority, but it just can’t be too crazy. At least, that’s my read of the linked explainer.
Spineless fucks. Predictable, unfortunately.
