First of all, I don’t mean this post as a complaint, maybe more of a warning?

There is teenagers on the fediverse. Most of them don’t share their age, for hopefully obvious reasons. I’d say that a lot of the accounts which do a lot of posting/commenting are run by teenagers — because most adults probably wouldn’t have the time for that much posting.

While the young people of this generation are generally useless when it comes to something more complicated than microsoft word, the people who are good at technology, usually are very good at it.

most of my friends (most of which don’t know the difference between a laptop and a desktop) could understand the fediverse as a concept perfectly when I explained it to them irl.

So, if you’re in a really stupid argument with someone, try to remember that there is a small chance they are 14.

  • Lemminary@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 个月前

    Some are easy to spot because they don’t understand that being apologetic has little to do with apologizing, for example. 😅

    • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
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      3 个月前

      And what’s the problem with that?

      Laws don’t currently make a concession for federated social media. If the law in an instance’s jurisdiction says that users on a platform must be of a certain age, then for practical/enforcement purposes it makes no difference if they’re local or federated.

      FWIW, I also ban people under age 18 on my instance (local and federated). Obviously I can’t know everyone’s age, but if someone offers it and I become aware, and it’s below the minimum age set in our policy, then they’re banned until they’re of age - simple as that.

      I’m in the US, so 13 is the minimum age by law for most services (COPPA), and there’s various grumblings to increase the age specifically for social media, so I’m playing it safe with 18 which is the age you’re legally considered an adult.

      Considering some of the stuff that gets posted here (legitimately and via bad actors), then my legal liabilities are less as I’m going out of my way to only serve adults on the platform. Mind you, I’m running this as a hobby / volunteer and do not have a team of lawyers on hand.

            • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 个月前

              Quoth Article 8:

              1. Where point (a) of Article 6(1) applies, in relation to the offer of information society services directly to a child, the processing of the personal data of a child shall be lawful where the child is at least 16 years old.
                Where the child is below the age of 16 years, such processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that consent is given or authorised by the holder of parental responsibility over the child.
                Member States may provide by law for a lower age for those purposes provided that such lower age is not below 13 years.
              2. The controller shall make reasonable efforts to verify in such cases that consent is given or authorised by the holder of parental responsibility over the child, taking into consideration available technology.
              3. Paragraph 1 shall not affect the general contract law of Member States such as the rules on the validity, formation or effect of a contract in relation to a child.

              The referenced point (a) is in the conditions for data processing to be lawful:

              the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data for one or more specific purposes;

              In essence: The age of consent is 16 when it comes to your personal data. A completely different question is whether lemm.ee even processes personal data, even more so in a matter that requires consent. Because unless you doxx yourself lemm.ee knows nothing more about you than your IP and, presuming best practices, only keeps limited logs around for strictly technical purposes which don’t need consent. That point (a) is only one condition under which personal data can be processed, there’s also b, c, d, e, and f.

              …not that I’m saying that the legal notice is bad it’s good. It’s overzealous and overcautious going beyond the letter of the law and event intent, reaching into the fabled realms of actually giving a fuck. Like, if the law says “assault is bad” then this notice is saying “please all cuddle, ok?”

            • throwaway@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
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              3 个月前

              From a bit of clicking around, its linked no-where but the footer, so if you’re making an account they don’t tell you to read it. Easy to miss.

    • throwaway@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Thats why I made this post. If a teenager is on the fediverse, they will know how to evade a ban.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 个月前

      To any teens who come across this post, do NOT admit you’re underage or were underage at time of account creation anywhere, anytime for any reason

      It’s like Rule 1 of the internet.

      Sincerely, The kids who grew alongside the internet since the 90s

      • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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        3 个月前

        Nobody should pretend and nobody should have to li

        Also, nobody should volunteer age info for no reason… Esp under age crowd. Fucking pedos everywhere

    • yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Minors are going to access the internet no matter what you do, it’s on them an their underdeveloped brains on whether or not they can handle it.

      If their parents don’t care enough, then let them be raised here, amongst the stable minds that think anything to the left of burning kids alive for warmth is tankieism (.world) or anything to the right of luxury gay space communism is fascism (all the sane instances).

    • Microw@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Lemm.ee allows minors out of the same school of thought why it allows federation with nearly all instances there are, including NSFW: liberalism (as in: freedom)

  • WatDabney@fedia.io
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    3 个月前

    I’ve long assumed that many (most?) of the tankies, and of hexbear’s userbase in general, are teens.

  • recall519@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 个月前

    I was smarter than the rest of you all when I was a teen. It wasn’t until I became an adult did I get this stupid.

    • SirQuack@feddit.nlEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Hey, fuck you for calling adults stupid. Some of us have been stupid the whole time!

      • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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        3 个月前

        No, we’ve definitely gotten dumber as time has gone on. Especially socially; interpersonal skills have basically vanished since I was in high school.

  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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    3 个月前

    While the young people of this generation are generally useless when it comes to something more complicated than microsoft word, the people who are good at technology, usually are very good at it.

    “Young people bad!” This paragraph has nothing to do with the rest of the post.

    • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Assuming someone to develop a sufficient consciousness of their time starting with age 10 that would mean anything before 2010.

      In all practical matter, people who are 25 now, cannot have any practical recollection of the US invasion of Iraq and are only having broad ideas of the 2007 financial crisis.

      That is indeed scary.

    • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 个月前

      You are either a 14 year old socialist furry or a 35 year old Linux user on the fedi. No in between

    • shikitohno@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 个月前

      It’s the little things like not understanding the historical context that something from the past fits in while simultaneously telling me Im wrong about the time that I lived through.

      In fairness, that’s not necessarily a sign of them being young, but could be any number of things at play. I’ve had my grandmother literally tell me not to tell hew how things were during World War II, because she lived through it, when we were talking about well documented actions of major historical figures that she was confidently incorrect about. No amount of documentation about what Churchill, Stalin or Hitler did during a particular event could change her mind, because she lived through it, never mind the fact that she was like 10 at the time. /r/AskHistorians had a 20 year moratorium on discussing recent events for a reason. Then again, this is the same lady who left her church of decades, because she was sure she was better at interpreting the Bible and church doctrine than all the priests who spent years studying those topics in seminary, since she occasionally read random books of the Bible and was older than they were.

      It could also just be peoples’ biases at play. A Marxist historian and a fundamentalist, conservative Christian historian will come to wildly different conclusions and interpretations of things like the significance and impact of the rise of the religious right in the US under figures like Ronald Reagan, despite looking at the very same events.

      And it could always just be that people are essentially engaging in drive-by posting quite often on the internet. For all the good things it can bring us, and the sense of community that it often provides, I think that internet “communities” really just provide us with a close approximation of community, while fundamentally lacking key elements that help real communities to exist and function in the long term. Personally, I’m closer to the Democratic moderates/centrists that abound on Lemmy.world than I am to my coworkers or my parents politically, yet I find that political discussions here tend to lose all civility and sincerity much quicker than they do with my boss who is all gung-ho for MAGA in real life. Like, I actually got my boss to come around on things like taxing the rich and universal healthcare when I had a chance to explain them without the hysterical stuff Fox tosses out and with examples of how they would actually benefit him to have as a baseline during election season last year, and it was a more civil and less heated conversation than some of those I had here a few months prior about whether Harris was really a good pick when the Democrats announced her as their candidate last year.

  • Darkmoon_UK@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 个月前

    It should not be that surprising. Many teenagers are really smart, curious and will find their way here. That said I realise your warning is well intentioned; I hope Lemmy remains a more civil place than Reddit became over the last ten years, for everyone; teenagers included.