• cıτızεnsεяıous@discuss.tchncs.de
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    “(…)It was perpetrated by the Lebanese Forces The killings are widely believed to have taken place under the command of Lebanese politician Elie Hobeika, whose family and fiancée had been murdered by Palestinian militants and left-wing Lebanese militias during the Damour massacre in 1976, itself a response to the Karantina massacre(…)”

    “(…)The primary responsibility for the massacre is generally attributed to Elie Hobeika. Robert Maroun Hatem, Elie Hobeika’s bodyguard, stated in his book From Israel to Damascus that Hobeika ordered the massacre of civilians in defiance of Israeli instructions to behave like a “dignified” army.(…)”

    This never stops does it?

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      https://www.hrw.org/news/2001/06/22/israel-sharon-investigation-urged

      As Defense Minister, Ariel Sharon had overall responsibility over the Israeli Defense Forces and allowed Phalangist militias to enter the camps where they terrorized the residents for three days.

      During the BBC program, Morris Draper, the U.S. Special Envoy to the Middle East at the time, said that U.S. officials were horrified when told Sharon had allowed Phalange militias into West Beirut and the camps “because it would be a massacre.” He told the BBC that after the killings began he cabled Defense Minister Sharon, telling him, “You must stop the slaughter…. The situation is absolutely appalling. They are killing children. You have the field completely under your control and are therefore responsible for that area.”

      Lebanese israel-backed anti-Palestinian Fascists which were pointed to the camp by israel, armed with weapons. The IDF knew very well they would commit that massacare, the IDF which surrounded the camp made sure to defend the Phalangist militias while they commited their massacare.

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          The Kahan Commission (named after the President of the Israeli Supreme Court) that investigated the massacre in 1983 concluded that “Minister of Defense [Sharon] bears personal responsibility” and should “draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office.” The commission recommended that Prime Minister Menachem Begin remove Sharon from office if he did not resign. Sharon did resign as minister of defense, though he subsequently assumed other cabinet positions. Annexes of the commission report have not yet been made public, and it is not known if they contain additional information specific to Sharon´s involvement.

          By all accounts, the perpetrators of this indiscriminate slaughter were members of the Phalange (or Kata´eb, in Arabic) militia, a Lebanese force that was armed by and closely allied to Israel since the outbreak of Lebanon´s civil war in 1975. It must be noted, however, that the killings were carried out in an area under IDF control. An IDF forward command post was situated on the roof of a multi-story building located some 200 meters southwest of the Shatilla camp.

          I guess these people can’t read either because if it’s israels responsibility that sure sounds like israel did it.

          Maybe you can send the Human Rights Watch a message to correct them. Be sure to link your wikipedia quote.

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            I was not the one whow brought up this topic or the sources. I qouted your own source so you could understand that you can not just copie some pieces out of an complex topic to underline your point. This topic is a good example in which you can see that you can not blaime only one person or instant. We could do a source fight with cruelties of every party, but that helpes noebody. But I think it would help if hamas (which is a terrorist group) would lay their arms down.

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              And I think it would help (at least not harm anyone) if israel (which is a Nazi ethostate) would lay their arms down.

              Hey you know what they could do to solve this? A permanent ceasefire! Which Hamas agree to (wow)!

              Guess who doesn’t?

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                Do you really think they wanted a ceasefire out of humanitarian reasons? Come on…

                You can not attack someone and if they strike back, you want a ceasefire.

                Oh, and there was a ceasefire just before hamas attacked civilians with AK47.

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                  Strange why did so many children die from bombs in Gaza in 2023 before that “ceasefire”?

                  Is a ceasefire when israel kills people and they don’t fight back?