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As far as I know these are reactions to misile fire from gasa.

And hamas uses civilians as a shield because they do not care about them.

Well written. There is nothing to contradict.

Do you really think they wanted a ceasefire out of humanitarian reasons? Come on…

You can not attack someone and if they strike back, you want a ceasefire.

Oh, and there was a ceasefire just before hamas attacked civilians with AK47.

Because my power brake just slides over my big wheel.

I was not the one whow brought up this topic or the sources. I qouted your own source so you could understand that you can not just copie some pieces out of an complex topic to underline your point. This topic is a good example in which you can see that you can not blaime only one person or instant. We could do a source fight with cruelties of every party, but that helpes noebody. But I think it would help if hamas (which is a terrorist group) would lay their arms down.

I think I never had to qoute myself, but what does “hamas brought this over their own people” tell you else then that which is writen? I only am responsible for what I am writing but not for what another one feels the words could mean.

Your next point is valid though.

Do you even read your own sources? I will not quote your next source for you too. Just read it. It’s not as simple as you want to make it seem.

I never said anything about deserving. Thats a clear staw man argument. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man And I explicitly isolated the situation, exactly to avoid spiraling. Also I blamed the hamas and not the people.

This whole shit has to end some day.

“(…)It was perpetrated by the Lebanese Forces The killings are widely believed to have taken place under the command of Lebanese politician Elie Hobeika, whose family and fiancée had been murdered by Palestinian militants and left-wing Lebanese militias during the Damour massacre in 1976, itself a response to the Karantina massacre(…)”

“(…)The primary responsibility for the massacre is generally attributed to Elie Hobeika. Robert Maroun Hatem, Elie Hobeika’s bodyguard, stated in his book From Israel to Damascus that Hobeika ordered the massacre of civilians in defiance of Israeli instructions to behave like a “dignified” army.(…)”

This never stops does it?

Thanks that helped the discussion. And changed my view.

You might be right, but to some degree that also means that hamas brought this over their own people.

The nazis in Germany for example did the same, and whole citys where bombed by the allies. So would you blame the nazis or the allies for this? I think there where a lot of war crimes on both sides back then, nevertheless it started because of the cruelties of Hitlerers entourage. And the German people did not fight this régime which made them accomplices at least according to historians.

This does not mean that I support how the IDF operates. The hole thing that got us in this situation this time is because the hamas attacked civilians in an monstrously way and did this over years with their missiles as far as I can tell. So I would blame them at first also the palestinians should have fought hamas their selfs.

But maybe I am wrong, so I am listening.

If hamas would just put their arms down this could have an instant end. The same as if putin would retreat his army.

These are two different bases. It is a contradiction in terms to say near the syrian border and in syria at the same time.

Tower 22 which got attacked is in Jordan and potentially a supply post for the al-Tanf base in southeastern Syria.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-tower-22-site-attack-us-troops-jordan-2024-01-28/

What gives you the idea that the base in Jordan is to occupy? Jordan is a sovereign country and an allie so what do you mean?

It is simply his job to look after those, his own people, who elected him first, rather than looking after others first for whom he is not directly responsible and over whom he has no direct leadership.

Shazam