The last couple days I’ve noticed every post that shows Tesla not looking good, has been removed from some higher directive. Not deleted by OP.
and yesterday an OP tried at least twice to post an article about Tesla factory ordering $16,000 worth of pies from a small independently-owned Silicon Valley bakery, owned by a sweet hard-working lady who worked overtime all night and had to go out and buy more ingredients to get the order finished in time, only for Tesla to call up the next morning and cancel the order just as the pies were about to be delivered to Tesla. As of press time, that lady lost $16,000 on that order but hopefully Tesla came back and made up for it.
The OP posted that article twice because the first one had been removed, then I tried to comment on the second one and it had been removed also.
There seems to be some Tesla brigade working hard to remove everything from the internet that makes them look bad.
There isn’t. The admins and mods are all in a discord server where we discuss shit and yet me tell you there is nor a pro Tesla agenda.
Hear me out. Perhaps it’s a heavy handed mod or the community who is tired of Tesla posts full stop. Or Elon Musk posts, which tbh is kind of fair especially on places like the tech community. Musk does a lot of things to stay in the news cycle to stay relevant and a lot of people are fatigued about it.
I think that sort of thing should be decided by the community with the up/down vote buttons.
Or if the Mods wants to implement a policy to ban certain content then that could be added to the Rules for posting. That would be fine as people that want that kind of content can create their own community for it.
Moderation policies should be transparent and not used to veto anything that displeases a mod.
Lots of people in the community have complained. An even asked for a temp ban on posts about him (just him, not even his companies or their products). Moderation policies are transparent here. You can check mod logs. There are several comments on this post to that effect. Op threw out a lot of accusations.
How does cancelling a pie order at delivery mean that you don’t pay? You try to cancel a dental appointment in less than 48hrs and you still get charged for that appointment
My guess is someone very wealthy and/or used to doing large scale business just didn’t realize what a big number that is to normal people.
Or has never prepared food in their life.
Or they’re used to ordering like pallets of mountain dew or whatever and decided to go with fresh food instead.
I don’t know. I feel like this falls under “moral incompetence” or something. I doubt it’s a deliberate attempt to screw her over, but it’s also not really acceptable. They should be ashamed.
I really hope whoever made this fuckup is questioning how out of touch they’ve become.
Or the vendor didn’t insist on an initial payment or cancellation fee. I don’t know how this is a Tesla thing - some admin put in an order for some sort of meeting or event and they changed the schedule so she canceled. It happens all the time. This is not Tesla-specific
I mean how does Twitter not pay rent?
Cancel the standing order, put the wrong figure on a cheque
Depends on the terms of the contract…
Depends on the location, some places would have considered the purchase a contract of itself.
Yeah, apparently, because it was some small business owner, she only invoiced the order, and didn’t have some elaborate no cancellation policy in a contract for an order that size. It’s terribly unfortunate, but she probably should’ve known better (as a freelancer, myself, I once had to learn this very lesson the hard way, although it did not cost me nearly so much). I guarantee she’ll never ever make that mistake again, but, sadly, it may be because she is now going out of business.Tesla are such shit for doing this to her, and the very least they could do is pay for their order.
If not, over the course of decades, every one of those pies needs to go in a Tesla C-level face.
Slowly, steadily, inexorably, randomly.
Make them fear to turn any corner on the street. Make them see pies in their dreams.
Eh, if she really wanted to take it to court I’m relatively sure her case is sound. A reasonable man knows you cannot cancel such a large order of perishable goods on short notice. She probably had her own reasons, whether lack of savvy, a belief the media campaign would serve her better, or maybe even just that she doesn’t want to go to court.
yeah, well, that’s all fine and good if she could afford a good lawyer to take up her case, but she’s financially screwed because of this and is already struggling to even keep her business open. rich people can afford to just sue everyone who makes them mad, but small business owners like this lady who went out on a limb for this huge order and got screwed may not be able to afford to shell out the money it would cost to engage in a lengthy lawsuit with the legal powers of Tesla.
so, what the law allows her to do and what she is practically capable of doing are probably two very different things in terms of her being able to seek legal remedy.
But like, what’s your point?
Setting aside all the practical ways this suit could be handled affordably (e.g., her actual damages were a much smaller monetary sum compared to that invoiced amount and probably eligible for small claims)…
Having a policy around cancellations in the invoices would not materially effect anything here. While it might be helpful to ensure a good-faith customer behaves in a professional and appropriate way, such policies have little effect on a bad-faith customer.
Even without an explicit policy, this is fairly straightforward promissory estoppel, or at least something very much like it. If she had a policy, she would have a very strong case. Without, I still reckon she has a very strong case – pretty much just as strong. Either way, the recourse is the courts.
the point is that there’s a difference between a legal path for her to pursue her claim and her potential financial ability to do so, and that this represents a fundamental inequality of the application of fair justice for those who can’t afford it.
Just go directly after the person who made the order and take them to small claims court. She could only recoup $10,000 that way, but I believe the person would have to show. Not some lawyer on their behalf. I believe in California, lawyers are not allowed to represent anyone in small claims. Chances are the tesla person wouldn’t even show and several months later the baker would eventually end up with a check.
What’s stopping anyone from going to small claims with elon musk or any other high profile Californian? Just curious, I’m not from the US.
I don’t know that there’s anything that would stop it, really.
The irony here is that they missed payment - she called them about that, and they asked her if she could increase the order…. And she did.
Like, they already missed payment, don’t put more at risk.
@FuglyDuck that’s a tactic described in the 19th century novel Vanity Fair for evading payment. If your dressmaker sends you a bill then immediately order more dresses.
It is.
It’s also a super common thing. Which is why it’s important to learn how to say “no”,
@FuglyDuck Definitely. Or even just to make that yes conditional on the client paying their earlier invoice first.
I learned that the hard way myself.
yeah.
fortunately for me, my lesson was only a few grand… not that it was baked goods.
see, this, then, gets very tangled in the terms of the agreement, and - as there seemingly were none - and lawsuit could get dismissed. or a judge could decide that Tesla is liable anyway, and then Tesla would appeal, costing the business owner even more in legal fees.
if Tesla was ever going to pay the $16k, they would have done it long before engaging in a legal dispute that will end up costing tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars more. at this point, it has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with fucking this lady over as hard as they can to punish her for embarrassing them.
Personally, I’d use their bureaucracy against them.
Send a generic invoice “care of” accounting. knock of the delivery fee. make it as nondescript as possible so it gets handed to the intern that just rubber stamps every stupid thing their stupid CEO gets into.
It’s worth a shot.
Good luck sending Elon the bill when you can barely get the richest man on Earth to pay rent for Twitter’s headquarters.
Real estate is one thing, but small claims court over unpaid goods and services provided is another.
Oh, I have faith our broken system of laws still don’t apply to the wealthy. It’s been abundantly clear over the last decade how this works.
So normal internet marketing machine is working as planned?
Makes you wonder about times you have looked at reddit for a review of an item and haven’t seen negative comments.
At this point we are in the situation where PR companies that are pro and against Musk are fighting eachother in public spaces in the hopes that both brainwash as many people as possible, into their narrative. Nobody can tell the truth anymore, we’re in that period now.
The pie story kept getting removed because OP was posting it to irrelevant communities.
If communities start to fill up with irrelevant stuff then it makes sense to start moderating it, but in all other cases I think the users should decide what is and is not appropriate for the sub. Post frequency isn’t nearly high enough on lemmy that allowing votes to sort things wouldn’t be sufficient.
You would be surprised, I have to remove US Centric stories from World News a lot.
Why is this not relevant to technology when it was perpetrated by a tech company? Was it the way they worded the post, perhaps?
That may be true but I’m in the market for a car right now and one thing Tesla cannot hide is how many used ones are for sale and how cheap they are compared to sticker price after a year or two.
Wonder why though? Shiiry build quality?
Some people are not a fan of the internal cameras recording you at all times that send footage back to Tesla.
https://insideevs.com/news/496449/tesla-in-car-camera-privacy/
Fuuuuuuck that. That’s just stupid to pay for that.
Exactly. If you own a Tesla, roadtrips don’t include handjobs. What’s even the point?
There’s probably a range of factors.
My own feelings are not indicative of market trends (because I’m a bit weird about things) but a few years ago teslas had some kind of appeal.
I guess I just hadn’t realised how much of an ass musk is.
That situation has changed though. I would be legit embarrassed to drive one.
Same. I suspect there’s a lot of that going on. The excitement was ruined by Musk being such a dangerous and creepy weirdo.
Dude it’s been going on for 10 years.
The story posted twice and removed by mods, were because he broke the rules. First he posted on c/technology when it has nothing to do with tech. Then he posted on c/news with a headline complaining that it was removed, where it’s against the rules to change the headline. So this has nothing to do with being silenced, but everything to do with not respecting the subs he posted to.
The exact same article was posted again, but with correct headline, and has not been taken down.Aye, Thank you for noticing the issue and explaining. I keep wondering why my post keeps getting up votes. I was in some sort of conspiracy theory mindset when I wrote it 🤷🏻♀️
This explanation is grounded but I just want to point out that over the last 4 months I have blocked several Musk subs and a couple of Tesla subs. All of which were pumping out their respective subjects as spam everyday…
On some apps you can block specific words. Block the words “Elon” and “Musk” and you’ll never miss anything important.
You should edit your OP to update it with this information.
Not sure but I think I’m seeing my client’s (wefwef) version of that error message for a post on which I commented earlier today.
There was a discussion in which it was being debated whether men were worthy of help when being abused. It got disappeared.
I’ve got a screenshot of the post and the comment I made, but that’s all I can get. The actual post, which was at https://wefwef.app/profile/lemm.ee/c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world/comments/24739440, is now gone.
Additionally, the user who made the post is also gone. The user’s on a different instance than where it was posted: https://wefwef.app/profile/lemm.ee/u/Dble@lemmy.today
Can this content be recovered by someone else on a different instance, from a federation-synced copy of the content?
Anyway, screenshots of before and now: https://imgur.com/a/B2aEJrW
interesting. many if not most of us left Reddit because of the censorship and power-hungry mods, thought we found freedom in Lemmy, although we’d been occasionally warned that censorship and power-hungry instance owners exist everywhere.
I really feel like federated content has a built-in anti censorship potential, because an instance or community owner can only delete content in their own scope of authority. Federation naturally involves content being replicated.
It’s too bad that the discussions all seem to be about how to centralize and control lemmy, as opposed to, you know, the dangers of centralized control.
Let me give you a hint. Tesla depends on carbon taxes put on other car manufacturers by the US Govt. When you criticize Tesla, you draw attention of the US Govt/Deep State.
I can’t remember the last time I read a positive news story about Tesla. Maybe the mods simply just are tired of the contant spam about Elon’s every single action.
Which instance are we talking about. Was this all on lenmyworld or elsewhere? Was it all in one community? Did it happen here?
Would you believe there is also a brigade working for years to make Tesla look terrible? https://stopelonfromfailingagain.com/
People. go figure.
Reason the thread complaining about the pie post being taken down was removed from this c:
reason: Using this instant as a platform for complaints against the actions of other mods
The top comment in that thread describes the reason it was removed originally.
A constant stream of meta whining sucks. Doesn’t need to be some pro-Tesla conspiracy to dislike that.
Exactly. And this is Lemmy, the modlogs are public. People always want to believe things are a conspiracy instead of logically considering more plausible reasons.
You sure try modlogs are public? Some already use the name “mod” to hide their own mod profiles when doing actions and it’s trivial to setup admin actions to remove posts / comments without listing them in the modlog, while I agree it’s better than nothing it’s still up to each individual instance to decide what they give price of their admin / mod actions.
Can you point to a community where it’s not public? I’ve never seen one and my understanding was that was a feature of Lemmy, if not all of the fediverse
This is entirely subjective - I haven’t gone around counting things up - but I’ve noticed both more pro-Tesla and pro-SpaceX posts and increased arguments on the anti-Musk posts. It seemed (on lemmy) to be coming from the same small number of accounts, so it could just be an enthusiastic handful of fanboys.
If one of them became a mod, that might explain it. They were very active in the Tesla and SpaceX subs with multiple articles posted within minutes of each other within the past couple of days.
Probably just fanboys. I hate playing the shill but have certainly responded to unreasonable hatred and wrong criticism. There’s plenty of criticism to go around, even if you stick to valid stuff.
The same thing was quite widespread with Trump aswell. Each day the guy gives new valid reasons to critizise him for but people still feel the need to come up with lies about them or what’s probably even more common; jump to conclusions the very first moment a new story is breaking and then just run with it even if it’s later proven to be false. Like the story about Elon turning off Starlink to stop Ukrainian attack on Crimea. Or when people’s twitter profiles get suspended only to then be restored few hours later.
Being part of a hate-cult is hardly any better from being a fanboy.
