I can’t believe some of the points Linus made against the Fairphone, especially given he’s onboard with the same compromises for the Framework laptop. 🤭
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did he grope the phone? not intending to watch any of his shit.
Whatever you wanna say about the fairphone, LTT shouldn’t have any say in the review industry after their back-to-back lying to the public AND sexual harassment debacles. They’ve been sleazy for years, taking money from companies they claim to review impartially, and twisting everything into a meme factory instead of putting the tiniest amount of effort into quality reviews and tech journalism.
Linus is absolutely the last guy you should be listening to on anything unless he’s explaining how he managed to salvage his reputation after covering up toxic and predatory workplace behaviour and still coming out the other side a multimillionaire.
back-to-back lying to the public
What?
sexual harassment debacles
… that none of which ended up in the court let alone confirmed. That’s an allegation, not something proven.
They’ve been sleazy for years, taking money from companies they claim to review impartially, and twisting everything into a meme factory instead of putting the tiniest amount of effort into quality reviews and tech journalism.
Straight up one of the points GN made. Which they really did improve upon. They don’t pump out as much content now, as well as generally higher quality content again.
salvage his reputation after covering up toxic and predatory workplace behaviour
:D
coming out the other side a multimillionaire.
Guy created and ran a YouTube channel, expanded it to be a media company. Hosts a forum, sells high quality merchandise (you can look up the coverage of their bag or screwdrivers from places like project farm). Also runs a premium video hosting and live streaming service for creators. That’s what we call “earned it.”
This comment just reeks of toxicity, rather than criticism.
I don’t care what fairphone or Linus says. They got rid of the headphone jack. A “modular” phone my ass.
The second biggest dealbreaker for me after the small battery.
Ok, they have a USB-C to jack dongle, but guess what USB-C port’s wearout is the reason I was looking for a new phone in the first place.
Port wearout, isn’t that a good reason for a repairable phone?
I don’t know much about the fair phone I do remember a day when cellphone batteries were user replaceable and back then you could get third party larger batteries with larger cases. Is that available for the fair phone?
I’ve got a list of must haves for phones and that is on it. Obviously nothing has met my list in years.
The USB-C pulling double duty for an audio port means it wears out faster. If the port needs replacement sooner, then that goes against their e-waste reduction goals. But look, they have ear buds!
Great, more batteries, more points of failure. Simple is best. I want my wired headphones.
So I could choose, get replecement parts for my current phone (charging board + battery) for 40 eur. Or get a new fairphone for 700 eur, downgrading my battery by 40% and throwing away a functional phone.
Really wish c wasn’t the standard. Breaks so easily
I don’t know what are you doing with your phones. I have never witnessed someone wearing out a USB Type-C port.
Anyway, if you want to be upset at someone, the implementators of USB standards are: Apple, HP, Intel, Microsoft, Renesas Electronics, STMicroelectronics, Texas Instruments.
I did! My phone is several years old at this point and I’ve accidentally yanked it while it was plugged in many times. Now I have to try reseating otherwise it frequently won’t fast charge or charge at all the first time I go to plug it in.
Just normal wear and tear though so it’s fine and it’s still better than micro USB. Or Apple’s proprietary lightning connector…
Fuck Lingus. Who cares what he thinks about anything?
12 yo’s, probably.
A lot of men who think they are techies because they game or something but really aren’t.
Honestly it’s funny to watch WAN and see him melt down over obvious trolls in chat. Makes me feel a lot better about my own emotional stability.
Don’t know what you’re talking about.
Though I actually did finally listen to Linus’s review. Minus a few stupid things like “it’s too thick” or “I don’t like where the SIM slot is”, I think I mostly agree with him. It seem like the software at least has some major issues if he is to be believed.
It is a little annoying to have to reboot the phone to switch micro SD cards
I actually agree with him on the thickness, especially since I’d put the phone in a case which would add even more girth. It makes it less pocketable, and more importantly less easy to handle. My thumb can’t easily reach all the way across the screen on my current, similarly sized and thinner phone already and the added few millimetres from the case do make it noticeably worse.
It’s not the major thing that’s keeping me away from the Fairphone (I’m just not the target demographic), but certainly isn’t a point in it’s favour.
Ligma test strips
he’s an investor in framework btw
And?
I think the idea is that Linus is a hypocrite.
One is a phone. One is a laptop.
They are both products focused on being fairer for consumers with upgradable components and better repairability. In terms of this discussion yours is a distinction without a difference.
One is a phone. One is a laptop.
I’m getting Idiocracy vibes from your comment.
Welcome to Fairphone. I love you.
It does seem to be the thinnest available criticism here.
Not even that. It’s that his review isn’t an objective assessment of the product because he stands to financially benefit from Framework doing well. He’s worse than a hypocrite, he’s a shill.
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I’m talking less about the products and more about Linus’s reviewing practices. We saw this in the watercooler debacle. He half-asses reviews and blames the product when he’s the one messing up.
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He reviewed the framework. He invests in it. That makes him bought and paid for. He doesn’t become a new person each time he reviews a product, his history exists regardless
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You don’t seem to understand the concept that if a source is biased, then they can be unreliable in areas outside of their known bias. It’s not hard though, really.
They both have the same goal of reperability and the same shortcoming (being way more pricy than competitors with the same performances). Buy one gets roasted and not the other.
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Just shows the lack of knowledge LTT have really. They just dont understand Fairphone at all, or even how people use phones apparently…
I agree with a lot of the points LTT had, I was pretty excited for this video when I saw it. But the response was just complaing and excuses instead of just being nice and simple “here’s the issue you had, We can either fix it, or can’t for these reasons…”
Yeah, I was expecting something like “Yeah, this is an issue, we know. It’s that way because we had to make a trade-off to enable …” but it was mostly just lame excuses or just talking about something entirely unrelated to the point being made.
Like the thickness of the device and bezels. Just accept it, the FP is thicc. It’s a conscious trade-off you made. Be open about it. Don’t whine about measuring with the camera bump included (if anything, measuring from the bump gives the FP an advantage since its bump isn’t as thic as others?). If the bezels are a little thicker than the competition, just state why that is (i.e. to make it easier to replace).
Had to stop watching after that or I would have died of cringe.
for sure. I managed to power through but it didnt get better at all
Whenever I see Linus I feel like everything is rushed and not thought through. He barely knows what he is holding. He just doesn’t care; he has 20 more reviews he has to record today. Or something like that.
“Deal breaker! It doesn’t even do my laundry.”
That’s honestly my biggest problem with him as well. He makes such a big thing about having 900 videos a week or whatever that it just makes you think that he can’t possibly put any real effort into any of them, it’s literally not possible. Why not reduce the number videos and actually produce better quality content.
Part of the problem is that he has to be in every video or almost every video the channel producers. If you look at something like Corridor Digital they have a number of people who are regularly on camera so individuals don’t have to do a bunch of videos one after another. So each individual video gets more focus.
What’s the point in putting out a badly informed review, all it does is weaken your brand.
Part of the problem is that he has to be in every video or almost every video the channel producers.
I disagree with this argument, him being in every video doesn’t reduce the quality because the videos aren’t written by him, and the products aren’t primarily tested by him. He’s mostly serving the role of an actor/host. I guess it maybe reduces the possibility of re-recording clips, but I don’t think that’s the largest factor in a video’s quality.
That feels like a far assessment. Makes me think that he grabbed the tigger by the tail with his career and is afraid to let go.
ITT people mad at Linus for pointing out all the reasons the phone wouldn’t appeal to a mass market audience
Lemmy as usual disregarding pragmatism to be as dogmatic as possible
“You mean people DONT like a thick, heavy phone with a garbage camera and poor battery life? Well obviously, everyone else is wrong”
Tbh both have fair points from their side of bias.
Linus simply isn’t the target audience for this phone. He says he’s onboard with their mission and everything, but then makes points that aren’t relevant to their mission. Also, if a company as dedicated to their mission as FairPhone (or so they claim, I haven’t personally checked) can make a phone like this, then probably the reason other companies make better phones is really because they don’t care about ethics and morals but cold hard cash.
Nice, cc in case this gets hoovered up into a llm?
The point is; he wants a Framework-like approach to modularity and feature set. That means a phone that’s good enough to actually holds its own without retreating to being “ethical” or “modular.”
Fairphone is just the worst deal you can get even if you consider the ethical side of it. This is because rescuing an old phone gives you a much better experience for less than half the cost and keeping tech from the landfill is a lot more ecologically friendly as the work and sourcing was already done regardless of you purchasing the device.
Phones don’t use much energy. I’m not getting the “efficiency” thing for wireless charging. Even new standards are basically the same.
This CEO sounds like he has no idea what he’s talking about
Energy lost as heat during the power transmission. It’s what makes the phones warm during wireless charging. That heat decreases the lifespan of the battery and makes the phone uncomfortable to use, which is why wireless charging speed is limited once the phone reaches a certain temperature. I specifically avoid using wireless charging on my Pixel to extend its battery lifespan since it will live for 7 years and battery replacement is expensive. New wireless charging standards could probably play with frequency and other parameters in order to reduce energy lost as heat, similar to how increasing the voltage in a circuit decreases loss to heat for the same cables.
Yes but that’s mostly relevant when using fast wireless charging. Slow wireless charging doesn’t get that hot. And it reduces friction on the USB port.
Furthermore this phone has a swappable battery so it would be fixable if the battery degraded
I can think of reasons to not to include wireless charging such as repairability. The efficiency is bs as people can still charge wired if they want to.
Pogo pins on the back of the phone, pads on the cover with the coil, and bam, you have a removable wireless charger and a replaceable battery.
I haven’t seen a single device (other than a two way handset) that uses that sort of function. You would have to slot your phone into a giant plastic base and I just don’t know why anyone would want that. Anything but that and the charge pins would be exposed and thusly a fire hazard. Spring loaded pins are a dinosaur in today’s tech market and no one, let alone a company that is trying to reduce waste, would use such an outdated and niche system.
I don’t think you fully understood (my fault for a shitty explanation)
So you have the pogo pins on the back of the body of the phone, they connect to the back cover of the phone, the cover that covers the removable battery. The back cover has the coil integrated into it.
You can make the coil be removable from the back cover to reduce waste if you decide to replace the back because it’s scratched or broken.
The pogo pins are literally just to connect the wireless charging coil to the back of the phones cover when you close the phone up.
Oh lol, I’m dumb. Thanks for explaining.
i’ve got a samsung chargepad thing, it has a builtin little cute fan (internal, not blowing on the phone) - the phone is elevated, laying on a lip so it does not have direct contact. it’s always cool to the touch even tho it charges relatively quick (80% charge limit tho)
Maybe so, but you’ve lost energy to making that heat, now you’re spending more energy to remove it. Ergo, efficiency.
Something can be technically correct. Efficiency.
And not matter at all because phones don’t need any real amount of power.
Not when it’s explicitly defined.
And did you just call a 70% efficient device (staggeringly low by engineering practices in even the 60s) a negligible amount of power? Do you have even the remotest inkling of just how many billions of these chips are produced annually? Assuming only 0.1% will go in phones with wireless charging and that they will only be used for that year, we are talking about an enormous quantity of energy that is wasted. It would be enough energy to push the earth into the sun.
You’re being very dismissive about something you obviously have no real experience in, and there would be nothing wrong with not knowing something if you weren’t making claims simultaneously. Efficiency is a well known, inarguably defined, rigorously studied, timelessly practiced, design concept that the CEO has an obvious working knowledge of. There is no “alternative truth” that is being ignored here, only ones that should be.
Oof, so much hate when confronted with the simple fact that over the course of a phone’s life, wireless charging doesn’t have more than a slight negative impact. And one that isn’t going to be noticed by 99% of users. They will notice the convenience wireless brings though.
But continue to cry from your basement.
No hate. Just annoyed. But you’d probably be annoyed too if I insisted on my uninformed opinions about selling herbalife.
I guess airflow especially between the phone and the pad could mitigate the heat. I see some charging pads integrate this now.
I specifically avoid using wireless charging on my Pixel to extend its battery lifespan
You shouldn’t bother. I exclusively charge my Pixels wirelessly and keep them around forever as development devices and the batteries on all of them are fine.
My latest phone is a xiaomi note 12. It has 120 watt charging and I never knew I’d love this so much! 0 to 100% in 30 min. No need to plan charging any more. Just give it 10 min and you’re good to go. Charging efficiency is maybe the greatest feature I look for now, besides connectivity
That’s not efficiency, that’s speed. I charging efficiency is your charger drawing 35W and your phone only getting charged with 30W.
Yes and no, 120W charging wouldn’t be possible if the electronics in the phone weren’t quite efficient, because there would be too much heat generated.
You are probably right. It’s efficient for me though. I get a lot more charge per minute wasted waiting for it to charge. But it may not be the scientific term of efficiency
But it may not be the scientific term of efficiency
Otherwise known as, “efficiency”
But it may not be the scientific term of efficiency
Ah, yes, “alternative facts.”
Maybe say convenient instead.
The long and short of the lower efficiency of wireless charging is a concept called Free Space Loss
In order for energy to pass through an open space it has to use some energy. Unlike a cable where the pins are contacting and the loss is far lower.
Yes but it’s not massive amounts.
Phones use practically no energy compared to PC’s laptops, washing machines etc.
And if people want that level of charging efficiency… The USB C port still exists…
Eh, I stopped paying attention to Linus after the whole debacle last year.
Hmm, no, actually I think I stopped paying attention to him quite a long while ago. I think once they went all in on the clickbaity titles and just non-content, algorithm filler.
I first reevaluated my perception of him (shall we say) after that AWFUL “let’s try Linux” series, and it didn’t exactly get better from there.
The Microsoft ball gargling is ridiculous on its own
I liked him when he was more authentic. Back when they were filming out of a house, rather than some compound, just doing silly shit like that whole office water cooling.
Now it’s all about him blowing tons of cash on his house, or his studio, or just shilling/shitting on everything.
blowing tons of cash on his house,
By making a video of it it becomes a deductible business expense. Use backyard pool for water-cooling video? Free pool.
The Linux series was one of the best, because it showed what would happen if someone who didn’t know what they were doing tried to move to Linux. Linux shills have been preaching “it’s the year of the Linux desktop” forever now, but since it’s so different from windows and macOS there’s a massive learning curve that only shows up once you’ve switched.
I would bet 8/10 people who have used windows/macOS for 30+ years would have many of the same problems as Linus did. I know I’ve made many of the same mistakes that were made by Linus/Luke in that series, including accidentally nuking my DE.
Linux sucks as a desktop if you aren’t already familiar with Linux from the terminal. There’s a few edge cases, but for the most part it’s not a good experience if you do anything more than web browsing.
I’m no Linus shill, though I do enjoy their content for the most part. He’s not a tech god like people make him out to be, he’s just a slightly above average tech nerd who’s a good presenter. And that’s the audience that the Linux shills are trying to push the OS onto.
I think what you’re saying is that Linux desktop is going to be a bad experience if you come in with your expectations from macos or windows. In neither of those can you “accidentally” uninstall your de because you’re not reading terminal prompt.
This kinds of problems are for people who think they know what they’re doing
Tech doesn’t get wider adoption if you expect every user to know what they’re doing. And without wider adoption, devs don’t get on board and apps don’t get made. Lowering the learning curve improves the experience for everybody, especially with linux where we can have different distributions with different target audiences.
I agree, but we’re not there yet. As of now, you’ll need to at least try to read what you’re approving in terminal
But to avoid this you could run a VM and restore to a snapshot but that’s not really switching to Linux. Windows/Mac users should generally not just jump into Linux but transition to it.
I’m genuinely curious how saying that Linux GUI desktop has issues equates to gargling Microsoft’s balls?
Tribalism I’m guessing is why it’s being said
His let’s try Linux series was amazing. Showing how dogshit it really is when you get out of the circlejerk.
Step 1: open “pop shop”
Step 2: search for “Steam” in search bar
Steo 3: Click download
This concludes my guide on how to download Steam on Pop-OS.
afair they fixed and improved stuff since the video tho
- Steam was in the pop-shop at that time.
- The start up guide explains what the pop-shop is.
- Meaning Linus just ignored this user friendly option because…idk why.
idk why.
You know why.
Do you think he’d have gotten as many eyes on the video if it went smoothly and he read what he was supposed to?
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That is what he did. Then when Pop Shop threw an error, he looked up other ways to install it, and ended up doing it in the terminal through apt. Though his system was not up to date, so it got messed up and he removed his DE in the process. All he needed to do was make sure to update his system after that fresh install BEFORE he started installing things.
You’re right, I rewatched it for better context. Not a lot of detail on what he tried, it kind of just skipped forwards.
I also think it’s funny how he talks about doing everybody from a newbies perspective while using a Threadrpper and Titan PC with XLR peripherals lol
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So many people forget that while they understand how to use a Linux terminal and how Linux on a high level works, not everyone does. Plus, learning all of that takes time, effort, and tenacity, which not everyone is willing to do. Linus’s whole conclusion was that as long as that learning curve exists and as long as it’s that easy to shoot yourself in the foot, Linux desktop just isn’t viable for a lot of people.
But Linus has done a lot of public fuck ups therefore everything he says must be inherently wrong.
Linux is free if you don’t value your time.
I spend far more time dealing with issues in Windows than I do Manjaro. I only boot my windows partition when I absolutely have to
Fewer years than I’ve been using windows. 20 years of Linux, 25 years of Windows. I personally think the stigma that Linux has is due to the past. I would agree that it was difficult at points in the past.
Fuck, I made a hackintosh and windows was still more maintenance intensive if you’re the type that doesn’t like persistent problems. Most windows users just close error windows until something completely breaks and act dumb when I have to fix their shit. One time, Windows 10 auto update broke and I have to reinstall from scratch because none of the fixes worked. I spent about 10 times longer doing trouble shooting then I would have just doing a clean reinstall.
Yup, and I’ve spent hours troubleshooting dumb fucking issues on Linux servers that often end up with me just blasting it away and starting again because the further I get into it, the more shit I find broken.
Linux is stable and repeatable, that’s why it’s great for servers. But I’ve wasted way too many hours of my life troubleshooting dumb problems that shouldn’t even be problems and often I just say fuck it and rebuild it. I don’t want to do that on my desktop thanks. Especially because sometimes I do random mindless shit. Look how Linus uninstalled his UI because he didn’t know any better. The last time I uninstalled the entire UI on windows was when converting a Server 2012 machine to server core.
But I think the bottom line is, let people use what they want.
My friend only uses arch and there’s a few games we want to play together but it doesn’t work on Linux, there’s also plenty of times we have to wait while he’s troubleshooting shit when we want to play games.
He’s an SRE with about 22 years of experience. It’s not even a skill issue.
We often jokingly say “have you tried using windows?” or “this wouldn’t happen on windows” and dumb shit like that. But he uses Arch and wr all accept that and that there are some issues and the things said are in jest. He sometimes hits us with the same shit. But overall we respect that we want different things from our PCs and I do enough of this shit at work for me to want to do anything at home besides click on some UI shit and things just work.
Its okay to be different and it’s okay if you use Linux and I use windows, bashing on about how bad it is isn’t winning any friends or favor and the general toxicity with this shit puts a lot of people off of even trying Linux.
I’m an absolute mouth breathing imbecile, with no IT/SysAdmin/Otherwise technical background or knowledge outside of what I gained by just being a typical windows user.
I cold turkey switched to linux with relatively few issues with nothing but a weekend sporadic research done beforehand. Learning curve for everyday shit hasnt been that deep or curvy.
Its not 1997. Linux is not that hard to use, even for gaming. Especially with some modern distros built specifically for the task (like Nobara)
No, its not for everyone, but its not this incomprehensibly obtuse and mystical monstrosity that people try to constantly paint it as, 30 years ago maybe, but not anymore. as long as you can follow basic instructions and have a modicum of common sense (Which is asking a lot from the average person, I know…)
Most people are not interested in tech. To them, doing any amount of research about computers will be a chore and something they will try to avoid. They don’t care about the linux philosophy, or open source, and just want a computer that works for them as quickly as possible. So naturally they use Mac or Windows like all of their friends.
I dont give a shit about my OS.
I didnt switch cause I saw the blessed light of open source software or anything like that.
I switched cause I fucking hated Windows 10, and absolutely fucking loathe windows 11 and the direction they are taking their operating systems. and my choice was to take Windows 10/11, or to go Linux… and I went Linux.
So you can say I switched under duress
Most people don’t care about their operating system enough to switch.
Agreed. It was pretty refreshing and sobering.
I gave up a while back, and can’t really nail down what actually got me over the edge to stop watching.
Really didn’t help that the one time I checked back in, because I hadn’t seen anything from him in a bit (prior to the latest scandals), all the latest uploads was him being totally unrelatable and barely even tech-relevant while trying to heat his pool with his water cooling loop.
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I can’t even imagine how you can possibly say its a bad take. They were all fair criticisms of that phone, if it doesn’t apply to you very well, but the fact that it’s slower than an old phone it might matter to some specially in the optic of keeping that phone for 5/6 years or more…
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Yeah, I was listening and found myself nodding many of the design choices. Yes I want 60Hz default, yes I don’t want SIM slot on the side, yes I want the phone to be thicker and heavier to accommodate the durability and repairability and features… I’m clearly the target demographic for this device and Linus’es review felt like it completely missed the point. “It’s not much more difficult to replace the Galaxy Note’s battery” say what buddy?
