Tons of protests going on everywhere against Israel, but not a single government has changed their stance
Some do, some don’t. What kind of answer did you expect?
Thanks Sherlock
He’s right. There’s no clearcut answer to the questions. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. What kind of an answer does OP expect with an open question like that?
Probably longer and with ideas that they didn’t thought of. On account of an open question like that. Which it seems many other commenters came up with.
They’re all talking about successful protests. Because unsuccessful protests are rarely something we remember.
It’s a perfectly good, efficient answer. Do they work? Sometimes. It (often) depends on how many people are involved in the protest
I can think of one very successful protest that only involved one single monk
What is efficient in reiterating the same answer that applies to basically everything - “Yes and no”? Is there someone who doesn’t somehow know that?
And the practice of self-immolation have never stopped; in the rest of the world (outside of north-Tibetan region known as China) it’s very underreported - it happened at least 160 times since 2009. There’s complexity in everything and my argument is that saying “maybe or whatever” is absolutely meaningless.
You’re not questioning the efficiency of the answer here. You’re questioning the quality.
You don’t even know yourself what it is you want. And please. Stop with the strawman arguments. It’s pathetic.
No one claimed self immolation stoped. Why are you trying to bring it up as if I’ve said otherwise? Same goes with your disgusting paraphrasing. No one said “maybe or whatever” and tried to play it off like that.
It’s very simple. Question: “Does protests work?” Answer: “Sometimes (we won’t know if it will until we try)”
I’m sorry for bringing information that no one did during conversation. And please do not tell me what I meant like you are in my head. I find it pointless to tell people what they already know. I define it as “the least you can do (the effort that’s meaningless)”. And go to hell dick, let’s discuss nothing ever, and get angry over insults that you made up (is that straw man or not?), and don’t forget to be rude, particularly as it’s not your fault this conversation even started.
It’s so simple it didn’t even need to be said.
Edit: Actually I’m done here. I’m sick and don’t need to talk to someone who calls people pathetic because they disagree with them. It’s become detrimental long time ago. You won, I yield, I’m wrong and you successfully defended a commenter who didn’t even needed it. From what? I have no idea.
Sometimes. It depends on a lot of factors. Protests can convince people to change their mind, it has happened in the past and does happen on some situations these days as well. Protests can also have negative effects as well, considering things like where, when, and how a protest is carried out can either change people’s minds or entrench them even more in their own opinion.
At the end of the day, the outcome of a protest is just as unpredictable as what a person will do in ten years. Or even the next hour, really.
Hmmm, ig it works if people in charge are actually someone who are willing to accept their mistakes and change their minds, which does not seem to be the case for the situation in question
Protests rarely have a fast rate of changing political situations. Take a look at the suffragette movement. There is also a big difference of success between peaceful and violent protests.
I dunno, effective protesting will most of the time target the rich, or oil companies etc. instead of changing peoples minds. talking is a good tool for that instead.
Yes because:
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There is a visible action taking place. You are standing for something you believe in. This gives other people who may lack confidence or opportunity something to notice.
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Those in authority cannot claim what they do is an unopposed position.
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Those you are protesting on behalf of, even if they are going through hell, know that someone somewhere is not prepared to let their circumstances go unnoticed.
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Those you are protesting against know that someone sees what they are doing.
Maybe if the person who’s actions are being protested against are reasonable. When protesters are met by military forces and detained in trumped up charges of terrorism, then they don’t work until there looks to be consequences for the person/group being protested.
As a rule of thumb if you have the military on your side protests get crushed. Look at Egypt for an example of what happens once the military gets involved.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Blair\_Mountain](The Battle of Blair Mountain) is a good example on the US end. Striking US mine workers crushed by the US military on US soil. You could argue that it was one of many events that led to labor protections, but it wasn’t the inviting event and those protections came more than a decade later.
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Yes, mobilization is a strong message to government in democracy. It says we do not like the direction, we are going and we will vote you out or cause more disruption. In my town we mobilized in front of our MP’s office due to the partial privatization of medcial aid. Our MP ended up changing his vote and siding against his party, as it was the will of the people. Participation in democracy is a powerful tool.
i’m pretty sure you could crowdsource an assassination and get more results,.
You need to use your protests as recruiting grounds for more direct pressure on your government. You should establish or join a lobbying organization and recruit volunteers. You will have these people write letters to the editor, solicit for donations, call and write to your representatives, and schedule in-person meetings with government officials.
Standing on the street and yelling by itself is not enough, you need to become a part of the establishment to affect change, but you can grow your organization by finding people who have proven to be motivated. A protest is a great place for that sort of thing.
You’ve summed up the key take-aways I got from my youthful protests of days gone by. 1) Teach the newbies about the current protest issue and possibly related issues. 2) Recruit. 3) Make contacts. 4) ORGANIZE. Not everyone can lead or organize for an issue, but everyone can be a helper. Your local government officials don’t care about your single voice, but they DO care if you represent a block of voters that are going to vote based on policy X. A petition with a bunch of signatures means more than a single letter, but an organized group with many letters and petitions and phone calls all identifying as voting members of Anti-Fraking-Club (or whatever), which meets every Y days and wants new regulation Z … that will get more attention. It might not be enough to combat the deep pockets on the other side, but enumerating the members of an organized voting block is better than noting some rabble rousers in the streets.
Some, but not all.
Just remember, if the protest is peaceful and easy to ignore then nothing will probably get done. You must disrupt the flow.
No
Nope.
The world is fucked.
Only thing that could possibly turn the tides would be a massive return to the guillotine.
with or without guns?
if protests did nothing, they wouldn’t be forbidden in China and Russia and every other autocratic society
Also there’s the American protest, where the opposing political party mounts a counter protests and politicians let them fight amongst each other. Then there’s the French protest, where they set the barbecue on the tram tracks and walk in milions for days.
Not all protests are equal
Yeah they shoot us when we try to protest like the French? Kinda tired of this comparison because it’s not apples to apples. America’s protest laws are not kind and they’re getting worse.
Laughs in Hong Kong, or any other major protest in the last decade.
No they wouldn’t. If they did, the uproar would be massive. Or maybe not, idk, I’m not a yankee.
Theres a bunch of factors that go into good protests. Stuff like a single unified message (Occupy Wallstreet), good visibility (any random protest on a random street corner), a position that isnt stupid (The proud boys), if the media likes you, and probably a bunch more.
The key problem with Israel vs Palestine is that Israel is western, works with Nato, is in the UN, doesnt execute rape victims, doesnt execute gay people, claims keep coming true, etc.
Palestine on the other hand, is 99% Sunni Muslim for a very nasty reason.
Its a very dumb and uninformed position, spread by genodical maniacs.
It works when a government already sympathetic to the cause is in office
Protest movements against hostile state apparati usually have to get a bit more…intense, before they get change.
Difference between the civil rights movement and the Egyptian Arab Spring uprising
Protests are supposed to be a show of force. Protests are supposed to say, “See all these people? We can fuck you up if we so choose, this is a warning”. The powers that be have convinced us its about standing around with a sign and chanting. Nothing more. Protests are effective because of the implied threat.
No, protests can’t enact policy in democratic countries. Voting can, boycotts can, and strikes can. You can organize all of the three as part of a protest, but it’s a lot more work than shouting with a fancy sign, and a lot less fun to do.
