• Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Pasta straws seem like the obvious solution, it takes at least 5 minutes to soften in BOILING water, it’s gonna last at least that long in a chilled beverage, and then if you throw it in the forest that’s literally just food

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          I mean, let’s be honest, that’s how the system works. Apart from essential goods, most demand is entirely artificial and generated either by advertising (luxury goods), or, in this case, more covertly by manipulating the public opinion and, if necessary, bribing a few public officials to pass a law that makes your product mandatory.

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    Also fuck bamboo straws and other paper straws filled with PFAS. just use a normal straw or none at all

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      I was recently served a long macaroni as a straw in a restaurant. It was honestly amazing how well it worked! At no point it was mushy and there’s nothing in it that I wouldn’t eat with my pasta dish anyway.

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        They are good for some drinks but not great for others in my experience. They do get soggy after a few hours and start to dissolve a bit into the drink so if you use them at home and refill a few times over an evening they aren’t great. They also react with some fizzy drinks and cause them to bubble over.

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      Or you know, food grade stainless steel straws. No bad chemicals, doesn’t turn to mush (unless exposed to temperatures of 1,400 to 1,530 °C) and fully recyclable. Some people say they are hard to wash but ive never had a problem i just stick em vertical into the silverware holder of my dishwasher and it’s always gotten all the way through the straw clean.

      They are cheap to produce as well. Not plastic cheap maybe but businesses could easily replace plastic straws with them without going bankrupt or anything. Easy model is just have em as an optional extra so once people already have 8 they can just use their own lol

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        temperatures of 1,400 to 1,530 °C

        Well, that rules out drinking McDonald’s coffee with one then.

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        What’s the day to day with a metal straw like?
        At home it’s simple but going to the mall with a metal straw in my pocket sounds uncomfortable

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          I usually just keep them in the center console of my car the ones I bought came with a little nice bamboo bag thing to keep them in. So I only keep them in my pocket when I know I’m going to use them and I haven’t found them to be particularly annoying in the pocket personally could always just hang the bag off a belt loop if it really bothered me though

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      Maybe beverages could be served in containers that don’t require a straw. I wouldn’t mind being served a can or a bottle instead a cardboard cup.

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        Despite very limited usage, metal straws have caused major injuries including fatalities. Turns out having a metal stick pointed at all sorts of sensitive soft tissue is a risk.

        Meanwhile, if using your own straw with a restaurants disposable cup, hardly helps since the cup is still being waste. If using it with reusable cups, it won’t save you from any sanitation issues, since the drink is right in contact with the container. It may be useful for sanitation reasons with a can, but again, the can is disposable. Even if you recycle it, the coating on the inside and the paint on the outside probably are about as much as the plastic straw you spared.

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            Either is a risk if actively walking. Straw is more likely to be used on the move. I get self conscious about even carrying forks or knives on stairs.

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                Well, no, just I’m personally apprehensive. I can’t find a story about someone getting killed while using a fork, I can find that about metal straws. I’d personally favor just drinking straight from a cup with my mouth, or a reusable flexible straw if the beverage were something like a milkshake.

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        We have those at home too and they’re the only straws I use. They just feel premium in a way.

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    Yep. I’m all for limiting waste, but we never should’ve gotten rid of plastic straws. Paper straws DO NOT WORK. It’s as simple as that.

    I’ve resorted to carrying my own straws these days, just so I don’t have to use soggy paper.

    And frankly, I doubt getting rid of plastic straws had any effect anyway. They claimed here it was to protect sea turtles. I live four hours from the ocean. Unless a sea turtle knows how to use public transport, they’re not likely to get near my straw. Especially since I actually put it in the recycling bin anyway.

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        Not to be the “well akshually” guy, but I personally find that while paper straws are fine for most drinks, when it comes to thicker ones they really suck (no pun intended). Like, using a paper straw with a slurpee or milkshake is a nightmare.

        I’m team paper straws, but surely there’s a better solution for drinks like those.

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          Idk, would it be any different than reusable metal silverware? Restaurants use those all the time. ┐⁠(⁠ ⁠∵⁠ ⁠)⁠┌

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            First of all, you’d be surprised, and second of all, while most people DO have silverware at more, they probably don’t have metal straws, and they’d also be easier to steal because they’re thinner than a fork or a knife and thus easier to conceal.

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      You know you could just learn to drink like grown ups so you don’t need to carry around special implements? My babies could pretty much drink straight from a cup or a glass before they had turned two, you can do it too

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        And that’s perfectly fine to do with a soda, sure. But with a milkshake? Or a very cold slushie? You can’t really drink those like a soda. Not unless you let them melt completely, which rather defeats the purpose…

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          All the other pre-teens out there are protesting that we only have one planet and all you have to complain about is that you have to carry disposable straws for your milkshake or your very cold slushie, or you won’t be able to enjoy them? Those are going to hurt your teeth and your tum-tum anyway, you should probably stop

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      Downside is, your plastic trash probably isn’t staying near where you live.

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      Instead of paper we should have gone stainless steel. Safe, strong, reusable, fully recyclable. Ive got a few and i love em personally but i get why people don’t go outta their way to have some

      • MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayOP
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        First World problems, amirite? Gotta carry your own metal straw everywhere if you don’t like mushy PFAS.

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        I use metal straws as well. It’s a decent option.

        As for safe, wellllll… there’s some debate on it. People have been impaled when they tripped and fell while drinking from them. They’re also a bit more difficult to clean, since you just toss a plastic straw.

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    I don’t know if all these recent jet memes are people just joking around or are you people actually convinced private jets are the problem?

    Taylor swift, and every single billionaire alive could be flying 24/7/365 OR NOT and it would make absolutely no difference to fighting climate change.

    The main polluters are industry and farming.

    All this other shit around are just distractions keeping you from actually going after the people that are causing our crisis.

    I don’t know if it’s astroturfing or what, but it seems like it’s deliberate manipulation to keep people inactive.

    You memeing on Tylor or using wood straws, or recycling your soda can does fuck all. A single paper plant will dump out so much co2 and pollution that will negate the effort of millions.

    • MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayOP
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      Well, none of that matters anyways when China now emits almost twice as much CO2 as the US and is basically single-handedly not just absorbing all the rest of the world’s reduction efforts, but increasing the global output enormously.

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          While that’s efficient by comparison, the atmosphere doesn’t really give us a break for per-capita adjustments. Yes, the US is more irresponsible per capita and they need to fix that. However China gets more bang-for-the-buck in per-capita improvements when it comes to the actual environmental impact.

          Depends on whether we are talking about where to optimize for best impact, or whether we are talking about fairness of blame.

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          Past emissions are just assigning blame, future emissions are all that matters. USA emissions have peaked, China is growing exponentially. That’s a problem.

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          That’s cumulative as in “from the beginning of time” (as far as we have record allowing us to estimate). It merely proves that the US has had a head start in all this because they industrialized at a large scale far earlier than China. But as you can see, China’s curve is literally steeper than anyone else’s, having already almost caught up to the EU in a mere 50 years.

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      A lot of it is political at end of day.

      Taylor Swift is looking to be a supporter of the Democratic Party in US, so the Republicans are running targeted attacks on her to reduce credibility as the election is coming up.

      It’s nothing new but just be aware that people posting these memes may just be bots/paid marketers essentially.

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    let me add my contribution to this meme:

    image description: a luxurious inside view of a private jet, in which another jet is flying inside.
    the text above it reads, “Taylor swift yendo al baño de su jet.”
    lit: Taylor swift going to her jet’s bathroom.

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      I didn’t make that meme myself but I debated changing it to something Taylor Swift related for a moment, but then I thought that horse was pretty much dead already so I just left it as it is. She’s certainly not the only one doing this sort of stuff.

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      Implicitly includes Taylor though, she’s not off the hook

      Just all the others are also on the hook now

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    The thing is billionaires will always use more resources than you. They will have more stuff. It’ll have more houses. They will have boats, private planes, huge mansions, and more money than they know what to do with. They will always use more resources than you. If your whole statement is we shouldn’t try to solve global warming because some people are rich, and we’re doomed to all die. And by the way, The billionaires will have a nice air-conditioned bunker while the rest of us die.

    I’m all for trying to solve wealth inequality, but it shouldn’t get in the way of solving a major environmental disaster.

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      If your whole statement is we shouldn’t try to solve global warming because some people are rich

      I don’t think that’s what they’re saying at all. Any solution to climate change is incomplete if it doesn’t also address inequality and overconsumption

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        Not just incomplete. You probably need to start with inequality. 25% of global emissions are created by the richest 1%. 50% by the richest 10%

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      Well, I can’t help but notice it’s mostly those billionaires and the people who work for them who are telling us there’s a climate issue and WE need to solve it while they continue to fly everywhere on their private jets and buy more waterfront mansions they tell us will be underwater in 10 years.

      So IDK man… I’m certainly not a climate scientist but something doesn’t add up here.

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        More people than billionaires are telling you there’s a climate issue. Scientists are, normal people are, etc. It’s the biggest environmental issue of our lifetimes. And there are some celebrities that are also trying to use their popularity to promote the message to get the government to create a set of rules that will actually impact out much CO2 we’re putting into our atmosphere. The right-wing talking heads have found that it’s really effective to point at them and say “LOOK! They have big houses! They fly around in private jets! They use more resources that 100 of you normal folks, therefore we shouldn’t do anything.”

        The reality is that they’re using more resources than 100 of us normal folks, but there are 100k of us normal folks to each of them so we make a much more significant impact on the climate than they do. And yes, lets make the laws affect them also. But the “they’re flying around in jets” talking point is lame. They’re going to be flying around in jets no matter what. They’re going to have big houses no matter what. So lets make them have lots of solar panels on their big houses or make flying around in private jets more expensive. That’s just a reason to make the laws affect them also, it’s NOT a reason to do nothing and let the world burn.

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          Sorry, but you’re putting the cart before the horse there. More people than billionaires are telling us there’s a climate issue BECAUSE celebrities are using their clout to promote this issue. And most of these people, including the celebrities, aren’t climate scientists either, they just parrot stuff they’ve heard from people they trust.

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            So you only heard about climate change when celebs like Taylor Swift started promoting it? The writing has been on the wall for decades (from scientists) and we’ve been hearing about it for that amount of time. If you think that the only reason you know about it is from celebs then apparently they were needed in order to reach you.

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              Yes because Taylor Swift was the first celebrity to ever promote it.

              It’s certainly not like Al Gore once made an entire movie about it or anything.