• Sodis@feddit.de
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      9 months ago

      Not enough unfortunately. We are still debating sending weapons like the Taurus system, because Russia could get mad at us (like with the tanks and the planes and everything else we already delivered after long discussions and delays).

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    9 months ago

    At least Europe is stepping up when the U.S. isn’t. But they don’t have the U.S. defense industry, so who knows how long Ukraine can hold out.

    • TWeaK@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Europe can simply buy more arms from the US. This has the advantage of replacing old stock with new.

      Bear in mind, these aren’t charity donations. Weapons and aid are being provided to Ukraine under bilateral aid agreements - which are inherently two way, and almost always heavily favour the country giving, as the receiving country is desperate. Ukraine won’t be expected to pay right away, but they will be expected to pay - and they will be expected to pay over the odds, with interest.

      Granted, they probably won’t be able to pay in full - but that’s a future government’s problem. In the meantime, the donating nations can treat the loans as a surefire return and fiddle their books, making their long term economic forecasts seem far better than they really are.

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      9 months ago

      Also Europe gave away so many shells that now the European ammo factories work to replenish the most basic strategic stockpiles of the EU militaries.

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        9 months ago

        They should just adopt a war time strategy right now.

        Ammo and vehicles non stop. That would boost not only their economy but prepare for the inevitable. Hes coming for the old Soviet Block and then some if he isn’t stopped in Ukraine

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        I mean, the point of strategic stockpiles is to use them when called for. This isn’t necessarily a problem YET, until the stockpiles are empty, not just depleted, despite the factories churning out new ammo as fast as they can.

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        9 months ago

        At least from a German standpoint I can say: we never had stockpiles. Like literally. The official estimate was that the Bundeswehr had ammo for two days of war. No hyperbole.

        The most efficient thing Germany could have done with all the Leopards would have been to use them as mobile roadblocks.