A pro-Palestinian protest action briefly blocked all traffic on the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco Wednesday morning.

Starting at about 7:45 a.m. Protesters stopped cars and stretched banners across the roadway denouncing Israel’s bombing of Rafah in the Gaza Strip and demanding that the U.S. stop arming Israel.

Northbound and southbound traffic on the bridge was at a standstill as of 8 a.m.

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    9 months ago

    If 70% of Palestine people passively and actively support Hamas, are the protesters Pro-Hamas?

    • Protesting for the right of Palestine to exist and not have thousands of their children bombed to death can hardly equate to support for Hamas.

      Palestinian support for Hamas rises as Israel bombs them, their houses and their families. This suggests that supporting Hamas is an act of desperation for the Palestinians, as to them Hamas are simply the only group that actually do something against what they perceive as the Israeli oppressors.

      Regardless, the vast majority of protestors would like to see a two-state solution that brings lasting peace to the region, with Hamas as well as Israeli warhawks removed from power. That doesn’t really equate to support for Hamas at all.

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        9 months ago

        So the kilometers of tunnels under civilian houses and institutions were not built for decades without consent from the people living there?

        The two state solution was rejected, several times, in the past from Palestine.

        • So do i understand you right, that you advocate for the genocide of the Palestinians, as is currently carried out by Israel?

          If not, then why the fuck would you have a problem with people protesting for children, women and unarmed men not to be bombed and given access to food, water, shelter and healthcare?

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            No need to frame anyone. It’s just a question and if there would be so many supporters if they wouldn’t count at least as collaborateurs.

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              You were the one framing Palestinians as Hamas supporters, you got called a genocide supporter now and you’re backtracking.

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                Oh boy. I’m out. Sorry to have y’all disturbed in your echo chamber opinions.

                Have fun with the downvotes.

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              So yes, you’re pro-genocide.

              Anyone thinking that protesting genocide means you’re collaborating with a terrorist group has the analytical capability of a moldy banana.

              No need to frame anyone. It’s just a question

              JAQing off is a bullshit defense, otherwise I could just ask questions about where you were when someone was murdered. After all, I’m not saying you murdered anyone, I’m just asking questions about the murder and your possible involvement.

            • Again, the question is why you have a problem with protesting for children and women not getting killed?

              Do oyu understaand the concept, that children cannot be criminals, and most certainly never “deserve” to be killed?

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      In 1848, there was a slave revolt in the state where the slaves tried to rape and murder white people.

      According to your logic, I guess being against slavery is being against white.

      Guess what, you cannot expect people to have rational opinions when they are carpet bombed or held in an open-air prison.

      Beside, Netanyahu is notoriously pro-hamas. He gave them cash to prevent the PA for having a legitimate claim to statehood.

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          It’s comparing the ability to delegimize a cause because of the bad shit defenders of that cause did. If palestinians supporting the hamas means it’s legitimate to kill them, then slavery is legitimate for slaves revolts saw attrocities.

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      This is the problem with the Palestinian movement. I’d support their movement whole-heartedly if it was a non-violent resistance movement.

      But it isn’t.

      It’s a movement that’s dominated by people that either support or look the other way about a part of their movement going into villages and massacring people. That’s not a movement a lot of people are going to support. It’s only something that can be supported by psychopaths or people too emotional to think things through because of the things that are being spammed on their social media feeds.

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        I don’t even think the Palestinian movement would have to be non-violent to get massive support from the world at large. All Hamas needed to do was not go after soft civilian targets, like the October 7th attack.

        I think they would have much more support if they kept their military focused on the IDF and Israeli government, not Israeli civilians.

        If Israel has shown us anything, Hamas could still get away with killing civilians, as long as they were collateral in an attack on the IDF and Israeli military. They lose people’s support by focusing on terrorizing non-combatants.

        None of this is to say that the IDF or Israeli government are the righteous ones in this war. They have done disgusting things to the Palestinians, themselves.

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          I don’t even think the Palestinian movement would have to be non-violent to get massive support from the world at large. All Hamas needed to do was not go after soft civilian targets, like the October 7th attack.

          If they had used the tens of billions of dollars that the world has donated them for building up their societies between 1990s and today instead of endlessly preparing to destroy Israel, that would have helped a lot. It would helped with everything.

          Unfortunately, it seems that just pouring money into a society doesn’t help build human capital.

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            The money donated to Palestine was mostly used to save people from the many crisises and famines that the Palestinians have endured. A lot of it went to rebuilding the education system, providing health care, and social services in a war torn, open air prison. Sure, some bit of it went to building missiles and weapons, but that doesn’t mean that they haven’t tried to “build up” Palestine.

            This situation is a bit too complicated to solve by just throwing money at it, anyways. Even if Hamas didn’t spend one penny of Palestinian aid on weapons, they would still be in a pretty similar situation.