Summary

Trump plans to impose tariffs of up to 100% on semiconductors manufactured in Taiwan, aiming to push U.S. tech companies like Apple, Nvidia, and AMD to produce chips domestically.

The tariffs target Taiwan’s TSMC, a key supplier, despite its partial U.S. production in Arizona.

Trump criticized Biden’s CHIPS Act for funding companies like Intel and proposed tariffs as an alternative incentive.

Experts warn the move could raise prices for electronics as most TSMC chips are assembled in Asia before export to the U.S.

  • garretble@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    Yeah, we’ll be able to build usable chip factories here in the states in no time. That surely doesn’t take several years to get set up.

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      27 days ago

      Especially when the dumbass halted the CHIPS program which was intended to do precisely that thing.

  • psvrh@lemmy.ca
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    27 days ago

    Is the intent to make Taiwan just roll over and invite China in?

    Because it sure fucking looks like it.

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      26 days ago

      Half of his actions in the past week, especially in the past couple of days, have done things to weaken the U.S. military. It can’t all be accidental. There’s too much.

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        26 days ago

        Most of his orders have boiled down to “report to the President in X weeks” the biggest one is probably the transgender ban. Which, while it sucks, isn’t going to affect enough service members to meaningfully impact the military. So there’s a lot of virtue signaling but not much movement in the EOs for the military.

        The biggest actual thing has been interrupting the training cycles of the light infantry divisions with Warning Orders for a large deployment to the Southern Border. He managed to interrupt the 101st, 10th, and 82nd. Which is ridiculously bad management.

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          26 days ago

          Sure, nothing has happened yet, but I think you need to look at all the cuts that are planned. Not just weapons systems and ships, although those are on the chopping block, but also commissaries and even on-base schools.

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      27 days ago

      Good think I didn’t throw out all those discrete transistors, we’re in for a loooot of soldering

    • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      26 days ago

      To be fair, this was Bidens idea, and the plants are already being finished in the US. Trump just wants to take credit for it.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        26 days ago

        Biden was not going to tariff Taiwan. His idea was to incentivize Taiwanese chip manufacturing to create an American manufacturing capability. That capability is not fully online and won’t be for years. This is a different policy.

  • mvirts@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    TSMC opened a factory in Arizona, so it’s really a big f u to the people of Taiwan while the owners of tsmc are good to go.

    I get the bring jobs to the US bit, but the cost will be passed on to consumers and the whole market will shrink. There are existing chip fab facilities in the US, maybe efforts should focus on why they can’t compete instead of reducing demand for electronics inside the US.

    • krigo666@lemmy.world
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      26 days ago

      I read somewhere that the Taiwan government doesn’t allow advanced chip technology knowledge be used in the US factory?..

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        26 days ago

        Photolithography itself was invented in the US a while ago, but the company that perfect the manufacturing process that is used for modern chips is in either Belgium or Denmark iirc. That company just leases its machines to TSMC so it’s entirely possible they could just move the machines to the USA. But that’s my surface level understanding, I don’t know for sure.

        • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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          26 days ago

          Netherlands, with key components (precision lenses) made in Germany. None of this could be made in the US in reasonable time.

      • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        26 days ago

        I mean, it is their one real bargaining chip to make sure the US keeps standing between them and China. They are teaching us some of it though, and we’ve been building fabs to make them here in the US for years. Biden got that ball rolling.

    • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
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      27 days ago

      The breadth of products and industries this will touch is going to be massive. Even if you’re not buying electronics from a company, those companies still have to buy and replace their own electronics to operate which, if those prices go up, it raises operating costs. Your cheeseburger can get a bit pricier because of this.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      27 days ago

      Chips can’t even be fully produced here. You can make the chip here, but the packaging and some other things need to happen in Taiwan still. Until they get that goin the fab in the US is almost useless.

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    27 days ago

    Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm and all other fabless chip designers must be thrilled.

    Taiwan must be thrilled too. That silicon shield may crack earlier than expected.

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    27 days ago

    what a fucking idiot.

    wants ‘made in usa’ chips.

    usa literally can’t make them… only certain parts of them… and not near enough to ‘go around’ and meet even just the domestic demand. not now, not in a decade. not in two decades. it ain’t happening.

    criticizes efforts to get more of them made here. reasoning being, of course, equal parts of: something biden did that’s seen as good and he dont like that, and money being spent that could be funneled to him and his comrades and donors instead).

    instead wants to put a 100% tax on imports as ‘punishment’. which could be the trigger that puts the economy into a tailspin that hasn’t been seen in nearly 100 years. semiconductors are that important, taiwan makes that many of them, and the usa does not.

    you know damn well those tariff funds would never go towards improving american production capabilities… it would just fund more tax cuts for his wealthy donors.

  • IHeartBadCode@fedia.io
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    27 days ago

    This is so silly.

    Trump: I’m going to put a 100% tariff on your goods if you don’t start building them here.

    TSMC: Yeah, we’re doing just that next year. We’re already fabbing them there in the US.

    2026 rolls around and the final part of TSMZ in AZ is complete

    Trump: I’m such a fucking genius.

    And Republicans will eat this shit up.

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    27 days ago

    The reason for doing this is specifically because it’s so damaging to the US. Surprise surprise, a government hand picked by an adversary is intentionally destructive.

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      26 days ago

      The US allies also need to get their hands on the pee tape or whatever the US enemies have in their hands…

      • Ricky Rigatoni 🇺🇸@lemm.ee
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        26 days ago

        Is there really anything anyone could use to blackmail trump? There could be a video of him eating a baby alive and a third of the country would still support him, and another third of the country wouldn’t even notice.

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          26 days ago

          It’s sad but any sort of gay sex would tear his base, so there’s still that.

          Insert joke about gay sex tearing one’s base

          • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            26 days ago

            No, all that would do is make them start going on about how “the left” is attacking queer folk now. Meanwhile they would still persecute queer people, because they would still fervently believe every other gay person in the world except for Trump was a pedophile who was grooming kids.

  • thericofactor@sh.itjust.works
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    27 days ago

    Just when you thought he couldn’t get any dumber. Advanced microchips are one of the highest in demand commodities in the world. TSMC will have no problem selling them to the rest of the world outside of the U.S.

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      26 days ago

      Actually, they already signed up to teach us how to make them, and their plants in the US are already being built. This was Biden idea, Trump is just taking credit for it.

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    26 days ago

    The guy doesn’t realize that all these companies are funding our EUV technology. If one falls so do the others. Our meaning our part. The whole EUV thing is a total ecosystem that is globally connected. The thing barely works at all according to science and people are working day and night to make it work more reliably. On top of thar, now they have to put up with less profit.

    But sure! Chips!

    Chip chip chip! C’mon! Chip chip chip!