Hi! In thinking about how to help the fediverse grow, I wonder if there are more mainstream Lemmy instances?
I’ve pointed a couple folks to Lemmy.world and it’s uhhh, pretty hard Left for them (as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said “I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.”) We’re much farther Left than reddit which itself was definitely Left of centre…
I don’t know if decentralized open source social media actually attracts many mainstreamers but assuming we want to grow the fediverse, I’d like to have somewhere I can point people to without feeling very nervous for them.
Thanks!
It’s on your hands to help make this place mor normal. We need an influx of regular people who don’t care about government garbage to create normal posts. At some point, their comments and posts will drown the left wingers and turn this place into a cat meme filled place that will be more enjoyable to participate in
I had hoped your question would yield some informative responses because as a normie I am struggling to find a more centrist space here. Every community from technology to memes is wall to wall “DEA TRUMP HITLER!?” I get it, I don’t like him, but surely there are other things to discuss besides that? The users are obsessed with American politics and as a non-American it’s exhausting and I think a little pathetic. Do they have nothing else going on in their lives?
The responses confirmed that the users don’t want opposing opinion and instead really, REALLY want an echo chamber. Message received.
I Just sort by all anyway
Lemmy.world is pretty moderate left wing, your Democrat volunteering friend sounds like a crypto conservative.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but global politics have taken a nasty turn, and mincing words to appease the appeasers tends to end in a “and then they came for me” scenario.
Instead of finding a milquetoast community where you can trade lukewarm takes while Reichstag burns to the ground, why not try to engage with people you might not see eye to eye, but may broaden your horizons and even change some of your attitudes.
The girl will get yelled at even in Reddit
If you think .world is non-normie left-of-centre (or whatever phrase you want to use) then you gonna be confused and surprised by what you’ll find on some of the other instances…
i tought that was lemmy.world
it resembles early reddit a lot.
As you’ve seen from other comments the short answer is that it doesn’t exist. Honestly the most civilized place I’ve come across is on Tildes, which is not federated and an even smaller community. But it has the charm of earlier reddit days where people actually liked speaking with one another.
I tried it and the owner calls himself “Deimos” (god) and acts like it. He bans people for any and no reason, including disagreeing with him. I ended up being banned for having an opinion about something he disagreed with.
I seriously doubt most normies would enjoy Lemmy. But sh.itjust.works seems pretty middle of the road.
It’s good!
Thanks, I’ll check it out!
I just love the idea of non corpo social media but to get the network effects to scale we need the normies…!
Lemm.ee was specifically created during the reddit exodus as a way to manage the influx and is very loosey goosey. Unfortunately that means you have to block the horrible instances manually, but it is what you’re looking for I believe
Very true, we need everyone to be open minded. Both those on the platform but also those coming in. I hope the comunity can keep the discourse constructive. Hope you can enjoy the platform!
Your friend is confused. Leftism is inherently anti-capitalist so she can’t be a leftist unless she wants to ditch capitalism.
Most people in say America define Left Right on the current political spectrum, with Democrats on the left and Republicans on the Right.
It’s like when people talk about work, we know they’re not actually talking about Force times Distance as defined by Newtonian physics, we understand they are talking about their job.
In any civilised society American “Democrats” are considered far right (Biden et al) to centre right (Sanders).
Republicans are self admitted fascist lunatics.
Don’t expect American standards when you get out of your fascist echo chamber.
with Democrats on the left
Do keep in mind the most left leaning democrat you can think of would be a center-right candidate in my country. It’s unfortunate that indeed you can only work with what you got, but don’t be surprised when others cringe at the thought of calling your democratic party leftist.
Americans do not get their own definition for philosophies.
It’s the same in most countries. In Canada, we put the NDP on the Left, Liberals generally centre Left, Conservatives on the Right and the Bloc… well, they do Bloc things.
Similar set up in most places. In common conversation, Left Right mean a standard political spectrum.
If I said I went to work, have I redefined Newtonian physics?
False. The Liberals are generally centre-right even within Canada. Your compass is off.
Your Newtonian physics argument is nonsensical and frankly rude.
I don’t think you understand leftism. Economic leftism (Socialism, Marxism, Communism) is inherently anti capitalist. The social spectrum of left and right is pointless. I am not necessarily a Liberal but I would define myself as a leftist. I do not consider liberals to be inherently leftists.
Like I’ve said repeatedly, in the popular context and most common words used by people, Left wing has different definition.
To re-use the example above, if I said I went to work, have I redefined Newtonian physics? Or would you understand that work has different meanings depending on context?
No, it isn’t. Unless you are Eurocentric and ignore most nationsliberalism is where the left starts though liberalism isn’t “leftist”. The right is authoritarianism. This is true all around the world.
Those were definitely words!
Can you give a couple examples of countries where the major left party/parties is/are anti capitalist?
Germany, France
Honestly liberals probably fit into lemmy fine. I’ve seen my fair share.
But your view of “normie” is heavily american centric. Your normies are probably far right in much of the world.
I think it’s unfair to just assume they are far right cause they are American. Right wing? Sure. More likely to be far right? Also sure. This doesn’t mean we should not welcome them and then try to show them that their specific view points are unfounded (or maybe ours are, there’s the point of discussion). Not just assume they are Nazis when they just ask why people here seem different to them
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
— @IamRageSparkle, 2020, on the microblogging site that later let the fascists in.
Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance.
If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.
— Karl Popper, 1945
A good anime weeby analogy is that nazis are like the demons from Frieren.
They only learnt to speak the polite words so they can easily lie to us and kill us.
Yes but this is Lemmy, where anyone who doesn’t think Capitalism = bad and billionaires should be shot is a nazi. Some people don’t want to think about politics all the time, especially when it’s so extreme (no I don’t believe half of American voters are nazis). I know the obsession with Elon’s salute made me avoid Lemmy and go back to my niche subreddits until I got bored of them.
No tolerance however ends up at the same point.
It’s not like we know this person has Nazi tattoos or even what their views are. Maybe they literally just asked a question. If they do have Nazi tattoos, they can fuck off. If they think anyone who doesn’t identify as strait is a bad person, they can fuck off. If they believe the q-anon conspiracys without question, they can fuck off.
But untill we talk to someone (assuming they are not visibly showing their extreme views like in your bar tender example) it literally doesn’t make sense to judge people based on the information OP has provided. If more information comes out, I am open to changing my opinion, but for now I think you are being intolerant of people joining this platform simply because they ask for something that is not as left wing.
Unless “much of the world” is just the West please remember many nations are still under authoritarian rule.
Authoritarian is up on the poltical compass, not right, although its often left since it often requires a powerful state.
Lemmy world is basically still Reddit. so that one
press x to doubt
It’s a well known fact that .world admins have wet dreams at night about spez seeing what good boys they’ve been and rewarding them by making them reddit admins and letting them suckle his little pigboy twig.
we gotta mf saying press x to doubt, its reddit
My impression is that Lemmy and the fediverse are a manifestation of the dissatisfaction with the current “normal” and “mainstream” social media platforms which are in decline due to hyper-capitalism. Is it no wonder the majority of its users’ ideology doesn’t align with what is “normal” and “mainstream”?
That being said, this system is designed so that communities can exist independently from one-another. You’re always welcome to create your own. Otherwise, lemmy.world is just about as “normal” as you’re going to get out of Lemmy.
I dunno… I admittedly live in a fairly liberal city in Canada but in casual conversation with all sorts of folks (I play soccer on 4 teams so have a pretty wild cross section of friends) I’ve heard lots of grumbles. Heck, a couple songs ago a random Tidal playlist song was groussing about the algorithms.
Even reddit had a bunch of grumbles and complaints and people looking for alternatives though I admittedly rarely look there anymore.
Yes, I agree. Most people in the US are definitely not Marxist-Leninist, yet that’s a vibe i get here frequently.
A more mainstream instance for normal people would be nice. Maybe there should be a non-profit organization behind it to back it up, pay the server bills, and such.
The USA is neither mainstream nor normal.
It’s a literal fascist shithole.
President Musk is doing nazi salutes on live television and anyone calling him right of centre gets labelled as a communist and a terrorist.
No one who isn’t a fascist wants that kind of shit to be considered mainstream or normal.
I’m like your friend. F— leftists and f— conservatives. I’m a hard core liberal and y’all can suck my d—.
I find lemm.ee is better than most but yeah as others have said, since everything is federated and the majority mass of users are hardcore leftists there’s no way to really avoid them. Just get used to the downvotes and easily offended snowflakes and instabans and hope that as more people leave the mainstream social medias for federated socials that these people will be watered down.
There are tens of us already!
