• AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Even tho im a cishet male i can absolutely imagine how freaking annoying these people could be.

        • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          It’s fucking stupid, they’re doing the same as their detractors. It’s just bullshit slinging on both sides. Of course only one side are bigoted cunts, which makes it easy to see who’s on the right side, but going just by the rhetoric on “our” side is fucking sophomoric at best.

        • AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Sorry, I thought you meant the letter U, as in the U People. I’ve been looking for them for a long time. They live underground, you see, that’s where the U comes from. They’re hard to find! But if you find one, it is tasty!

              • shneancy@lemmy.world
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                9 months ago

                in case you’re not joking and actually don’t know: AwkwardTurtle was one of the most universally disliked reddit mods, she modded a vast number of popular servers, and often banned people on a whim. There were multiple dramas surrounding her

                • AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world
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                  9 months ago

                  Not joking, actually unaware of this mod until I took up the username here randomly haha.

                  I’ve never been a mod for anything :p

          • SPRUNT@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            Thank you! Finally getting the respect U-people deserve instead of the derogatory term many use that labels us all as not-quite-human cannibals.

  • Bigoldmustard@lemmy.zip
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    9 months ago

    I will do whatever it takes to make my daughter happy and if that’s wrong I don’t want to be right.

    If that means being an army dude, paint my face. If that means being a princess at a tea party, paint my nails.

    Whatever she decides she wants to be, I want to be there cheering her on. If you take that attitude and try to extend it to everyone you meet you make a better world.

    • tan00k@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      You can’t gatekeep being nonbinary. Not unless you’re prepared to define it explicitly, which will exclude many people - and not everyone will agree with your definition either.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        I said just because. Not that effeminate men aren’t capable of being nonbinary, merely that it is not sufficient (or necessary for that matter). You have to like actually not identify as entirely a man.

        But it’s not my place to fight I’m very much in the binary side of transness.

        • tan00k@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Whose authority says it’s not sufficient? If they say they are nonbinary, they are nonbinary.

          • Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz
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            9 months ago

            This is a miscommunication, you two are not really in disagreement as far as I can see. If someone {presents as an effeminate man} AND {they say they’re non-binary} => {they are non-binary}. However if someone {presents as an effeminate man} AND does NOT {say they’re non-binary}… Then it’s not sufficient.

          • ferret@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            9 months ago

            OP means “don’t assume someone is non-binary because they are an effeminate man” and not “you aren’t non-binary just because you are an effeminate man”

            • tan00k@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              I suppose that’s possible, but the thing you say OP is not saying is literally a quote. So at best it’s worded poorly.

              • ferret@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                9 months ago

                Their intent with the message was clearly less-than-literal. They tried to clear things up in replies but failed. I think it is quite clear that they meant no one any harm, and simply failed to convey their idea properly.

                • The_Lopen@sh.itjust.works
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                  9 months ago

                  The comment itself should be edited to reflect the original intent, then. People can’t just say stupid and hyperbolic things and not be held socially accountable.

    • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Nothing is anything, did people forget that these are all completely nonsense words with no connection to reality? No matter how scientific and very legal very cool semantic concepts you come up with it won’t change reality one fucking bit. Non binary… Nobody gives a FUCK, it has no correlation with ANYTHING in the Universe, it’s just another shit pseudophilosophical concept being shoved down everyone’s throat like it’s some kind of objective reality.

      It’s metaphysics, and “you people” (yes, YOU PEOPLE) suck at it.

      The shit you find in your belly hole while navel gazing is not worth shit.

      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        9 months ago

        Are you transphobic as well? I’m genuinely curious. Or does transgender count as “real” in your view because it does have a far more strict definition?

          • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            9 months ago

            I am too tbh, I think the weird thing is enbies to me are inherently a sort of political commentary through identity on gender and our relationship to it, unless I’m just wrong.

            I think the whole issue is somewhat separate from trans people who mostly are just people with a mental neurodivergence/disorder called gender dysphoria that causes them anguish and is caused by their body’s sex and their brain’s innate sense of sex don’t agree and therefore they seek medical treatments like HRT and surgeries and documentation changes to help them perceive themselves and be perceived by others as members of the target sex as much as is humanly possible.

            Their political angle is to fight for access to said healthcare to be more common, available through insurance, be taken more seriously with faster wait times and be available to younger people since the effectiveness of a lot of the treatments like hormones depends on the age you start.

            Conflating the two imo is kinda like commentary on attention spans relating to social media and the actual neurological disorder ADHD.

            • MetaCubed@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              I think it’s a little “exotic” to call my existence an inherent political commentary. It’s certainly something that can be used to inform political debate, but I believe saying that it’s inherent misses the point that our existence is only political because it’s politicized

              And for what it’s worth, gender dysphoria is also something experienced by nonbinary folks, but it isn’t a requirement of being trans or non-binary either. Some people just don’t experience it and requiring it as a clinical diagnosis is part of the medicalization of our and trans people’s existence as well.

              I don’t really know how to finish this lol, I agree with the rest of your comment. I just wanted to correct what I feel are common misconceptions.

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    First half is a conservative argument (gender roles)

    Second half is a liberal argument (abolish gender roles)

    • frezik@midwest.social
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      9 months ago

      I once asked myself what good gender roles ever do. I have yet to find a good answer. Almost everything about it comes down to making sure certain people are classed ahead of other people.

    • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      It’s actually a Russian sponsored non issue to pit us against one another. Sadly the conservatives bought into it hardstyle because they smell money and power to be made from the controversy.

  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Reactionaries have no underlying principles, they just react, violently in some cases. If you guide them through their own cobbled-together set of values and show the contradictions, they get angry and start yelling, because to them, they are their own moral arbiter and a challenge to their status quo is an enemy.

    Gender is a Social construct and getting upset at people for being outside the bimodal spectrum conservative society expects them to be is utterly pointless, stupid, and harmful.

  • TxzK@lemmy.zip
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    9 months ago

    It’s often time better to not just argue with these asshats. Waste of your time and energy while achieving less than a dog barking at a tree.

    • Human Penguin@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      9 months ago

      Historically less so. Even back in the 80s lots of girls i knew and thought of as tom boys. Where forced to dress and act girlie by there parents. Further back you go more limits there were.

      • Monkey With A Shell@lemmy.socdojo.com
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        9 months ago

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roosevelt_Longworth

        “I can either run the country or I can attend to Alice, but I cannot possibly do both”

        Chastised by some, loved by others, it depends a lot on the audience. I think overall though women have been given more a pass, pegged as ‘willfull’ or ‘impetuous’ where as with men it’s treated as a flaw that they should be shunned for.

        Think of the differing ways that daddy’s girl and mamma’s boy are perceived to get to what I mean.