A couple of days ago i noticed something off with blahaj.zone. I couldn’t see images posted by users on blahaj, so i thought it was a problem on their side.
Well guess fucking what? After 3 days, it was STILL broken, so i opened it and…
Blocked. They fucking blocked blahaj.zone. Actually beyond parody🤦♂️ Why? What was the point? there’s trans content literally everywhere on lemmy. what’s next, block them all? So now if i want to see a post by a user on blahaj, i have to turn on my VPN (protonvpn.com is also blocked in saudi, jfc) just to see it. Fuck this place. 🙄
I swear a couple of days ago it worked. This is a mild annoyance (hence the community) but still.
It’s so over guys, MBS said no more 196 😔
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Sometimes these blocks only happen at the DNS level. Consider switching to cloudflare (https://1.1.1.1/)
Same thing on cloudflare. That’s a full national ban, alright. Unfortunately there’s no way to bypass without a VPN, and VPNs are quite slow for me.
Have you tried DNS over HTTPS?
What’s your OS? I don’t know a ton about Saudi Arabia censorship but I would start by eliminating any state provided certificate since that’s how one would man in the middle https.
Honestly Tor is probably the best option. Tor can effectively bypass censorship and can even spoof traffic to hide the fact that you are using Tor.
The other option is OpenVPN on port 443
I use it as my default. My OS is windows 11. Saudi censorship is directly from the ISP, unless you’re using a VPN or a proxy, no way around it. I tolerate using VPNs and tor, but it’s still frustrating. Hence, the post on mildlyinfuriating :)
As someone from a jurisdiction with some of the most sophisticated VPN blocking technologies (Russia), consider hosting your own VPN - it can be as easy as firing up a VPS anywhere and inserting one string, like with Outline for example.
Be really careful since you could easily be arrested for bypassing censorship.
Ideally you want to have a very little evidence against you. Spending money abroad to bypass censorship is highly suspicion behavior. Financial transactions are heavily tracked plus the state can see that you are connecting to one single IP all the time.
The best option would be to use Tor with snowflakes. I like many others in countries with low censorship run the extension to help people in places like Russia. You can download Tails to a USB so that it is hard to trace and doesn’t leave behind to much evidence. The thing to keep in mind is that Tails in itself is highly suspicious. I would spend time reading stuff from the BBC and non Russian Wikipedia.
Sorry that your country is slowly turning into China.
Thanks for the advice (And my condolences for being in russia, too 😔). I’ve been thinking of setting up a VPN on my router, but the performance be too costly. We’ll see how it goes, i guess.
My condolences.
Is it weird this makes me proud to be a blahaj user?
Like when a transphobic government starts hating, you know you’re doing something right.
I guess MBS didn’t like 196 😔
Dude was like
“Small community of queer people. Not on my watch”
what if innocent Saudis Arabians had no choice but to turn transgay on Lemmy??
When I was on blahaj zone, a pair of thigh highs and HRT appeared in front of me. The woke mind virus almost made me trans…
Thankfully, our benefactor, Lord and savior MBS protected us from 196, and those woke, non binary, trans, gay he-she-theys 🤮🤮🤮. God bless MBS and Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 🇸🇦 🇸🇦 🦅 🦅 🦅
Ngl, I can actually imagine saying that. Not doing that of course, because he already did so 😂
I bet he didn’t even post before leaving
MBS doesn’t rule 🤮
he doesn’t want citizens of the Kingdom to see how few upvotes his memes were getting
You should still be able to see the blåhaj content on your Lemmy instance. If not it’s time to switch instances.
I know, but now i’d have to turn on a vpn to understand the post and see the image. I still think it’s better than completely being isolated from them, but it’s still a nuisance :/
You can sign up on a Lemmy instance that runs the full image proxy.
Is there some list where you can see which instances have this feature?
Ah, damn. Didn’t think of the images.
It sucks, but it’s also one positive thing about the Fediverse - if Lemmy was a central platform, it would be completely gone for you now.
I’m a way that’s a downside too, it’s now easier for shit regimes to block content they disagree with, without blocking the larger services. Less people will be disrupted by it, so less people will care. See: blocking Facebook,YouTube or WhatsApp vs. blocking a single activist site.
Federated content gets around that though.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Thank god for VPNs though.
Yeah, thank god. I’m more baffled on why fucking saudi arabia would care about a tiny trans-ran instance on a niche software. must’ve been a slow day there, i guess.
youre kidding right. one of the most oppressive shitty, religion-based garbage of a country that subjugates 50% of its population and you wonder why its acting shitty?
I’m more suprised at the fact that they blocked such a small website, but i guess they really leave nothing left behind. I gotta be more careful on lemmy if that’s the case.
its what happens when horrible people have money to burn
Only a small percentage of saudi arabia live luxuriously, guess who’s most of them? (Hint: they’re a royal family) meanwhile, i’ve seen homeless people, starved to the bone (literally), without a single piece of clothing, sitting in the sweltering heat.
yep. evil people with way too much money
You are very naive, and should probably be a lot more careful when in Saudi Arabia.
That’s the thing, I thought Lemmy was too niche to be known about by the gov. I was wrong. I should cool it on the anti saud, pro republic stuff, this can get me in serious trouble.
Ye, this shit is no joke if you’re actually inside the Kingdom! Exercise tight OpSec please!
I ought to. Do you know any general tips, or places for me to ask about making my social media presence as secure as possible?
Not posting on Lemmy about how you disagree with their censorship of a Lemmy instance might be a good first step.
Do a search on yourself - try to find out your real identity based on information online, and do it as thoroughly as if you were searching for your worst enemy.
If you can find who you are yourself, chances are they will.
Make sure you don’t have anything “hairy” tied to an email with an email address you’d use for anything uncompromising. E.g. keep the email you use to login on Lemmy and the email you use to login on netflix separate.
Use 2 factor authentication and a password manager. Treat your password leaks seriously and consider any leaked accounts burnt - assume the details you had in there are now known.
Avoid using your real name on anything you can.
Best wishes. Take care my friend!
Additional advice from a cybersecurity professional that’s good for you and anyone else reading: under no circumstances should you use SMS 2FA if there’s another option.
Yes, having another app sucks (google/Microsoft have pretty universal apps if they’re supported) but it’s trivially easy for an even slightly well funded and motivated attacker to redirect your texts/phone calls so it’s well worth the pain.
Hope this helps!
I was trying to tell my friend why having a picture of himself, and his real name on his instagram account was a bad idea (like using insta in general), if you google his name his account is the first result. The only thing with my real name on it is a github and email. I’m lucky, my name is common and there is a athlete with the same name, which took all the seo
https://libcom.org/article/infosec-101-preventing-doxxing
Other than that, I would suggest always using proxies or VPNs when accessing fediverse services from your location.
Good info, thank you.
I guess watch out for shit that can get you doxxed since there are probably like 3 Saudi Arabians tops in the thread side of the Fediverse.
There are only two Arabs I know of here, and none of them are Saudi. Must be a lurker…
Be more careful, and best of luck to you.
Weird, so did I.
domains don’t really block for me. I find I have to do each community individually. Annoying really since usually its a domain where for some reason the language preference is not working. anyway I get it was a joke but it made me want to comment as I wish domain blocking did work.
I blocked blahaj.zone voluntarily. Same as the tankie-zone.
There is a difference between state censorship and preference. One is good, the other is a symptom of corruption.
I can see that. How about not living in a country with laws like that? It is always easy to complain, but what is it that you have done so far?
hateful lmao “have you considered the obvious?”
my condolences fxomt, earmuff at dbzero doesn’t think you’re trying hard enough from their cozy armchair
And how would you even remotely know, what I have been through. Again, it is easy to complain.
I’m trying, hopefully one day i can.
Getting citizenship (particularly in the EU, and any country for that matter) is insanely hard, and that’s just the citizenship (even asylum is turned down often). You need a stable job in that country, a place to live, and above average skills to prove your worth. And you have to leave everything behind, including your family since it would be dangerous to go back. Can’t forget people will never truly accept you as your own, and see you as an immigrant, never as a citizen.
And Saudi Arabia is well known to spy and even harm dissidents, even if outside the country.
not lemmy.blahaj.zone?
If they really blocked
lemmy.blahaj.zone, they’re not going to see your comment, but everyone else will, so we can make fun of them without them knowing it.hmm interesting
They fucking geoblocked blahaj.zone.
I suppose THEY is Saudi Arabia.
How can you be surprised about that? Saudi Arabia is a Sharia law country. An absolute shit stain of a country in many more ways than this.
You can get a death penalty for posting something against Sharia Law on any site. Actively using Lemmy could be enough to see you in jail.MBS said no more 196
???
The last line was a joke. Anyways yes it is about Saudi Arabia, and I’m no stranger to how shitty they are. I’m surprised that such a niche forum could be targeted, websites about trans stuff get banned all the time.
I knew this happen eventually, I just didn’t know when.
I’m surprised that such a niche forum could be targeted,
If you can find it, authorities can too. Sounds like you are far from careful enough, considering where you are.
I bet there’s some user from there, not a stranger to reddit and it’s alternatives, that happened to stumble upon it and report it.
Or the government uses web indexes to find sites that include LGBTQ+ content and blocks them automatically.
Saudi Arabia is shit, but anyone who uses the term Sharia law is a dolt.
Why? it’s an actual term. شريعة
Law law? That’s what it means.
Law is قانون. Sharia is شريعة. One is just law, the other is religious law.
Thanks for the clarification. ✌️ I’m the dolt.
Self-awareness is awesome.
I’m guessing it might be thought of like when people say ‘ATM machine’. If Sharia where to be translated as ‘religious law’ then it would stand to reason that Sharia law could be translated as ‘religious law law’.
Just some speculation on it though, I don’t speak a bit of any language in the region.
I do, in arabic we just say “sharia” but in english we say “sharia law”. You are correct that just saying “sharia” is grammatically correct, but i don’t really think it matters too much. In arabic, sharia is seen as distinct from law, but in english, it is seen a type of law, that’s why [i think] people say “sharia law” instead of just sharia.
So something similar to some of the Catholic practices about meat during lent, not a true law, but a rule dictated by the church. It just happens that if the church and state are functionally one entity, as is my impression for a lot of countries in that region, then it may as well be considered law.
Fairly accurate?
If I were in Saudi Arabia I’d be using a VPN anyways.
Also, if I were in Saudi Arabia, I’d be trying to leave Saudi Arabia
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Also, if I were in Saudi Arabia, I’d be trying to leave Saudi Arabia
Probably not, as long as you are not openly queer, you wont see any reason to leave co sidering the ridiculous amounts of perks you get, its not a 3rd world country or a backwater nation, it is a rich monarchial regime.
Would those perks be extended to most people, or only to a certain subset of people (ie straight, male, religious)? Like, would a bisexual, atheist woman receive the same perks? I get the impression that a lot of people still wouldn’t feel accepted there.
I’m genuinely curious. Your comment prompted me to do a little research. I found that Saudi Arabia has been making strides toward women’s equality in the past few years. It’s doing a lot better than it had been even just six years ago! At the same time, this thread exists, so… I’m skeptical that Saudi Arabia would have enough benefits to outweigh the restrictions that someone like myself would have to live with.
Faux-liberalisation, don’t believe MBS’s lies. It’s better under him, but he’s still a dog.
Even straight arab males don’t get the best treatment here, but it is the highest amount of priviledge a citizen can get (better than being a lesbian, atheist pakistani woman. Basically guaranteed death). You’d need to be a millionaire or a saudi royal to get the stereotypical gulf priviledge.
Thank you. As I said, I was skeptical. I’m pretty sure I’d hate living there.
I mean, tonight I’ll be going out to dinner with both my boyfriend and my girlfriend, as well as all my coworkers. Everybody knows my lifestyle - I can be open in public, with my two favorite people, and know I’m safe and accepted.
I can’t imagine a single perk the Saudi government can give me that would be better than that.
You can’t imagine, because there isn’t :/ Only healthcare is probably better than most countries here for free, but i’d rather be in debt than lose my life or at best, live like a slave.
Have a good date, btw :D
Yeah I guess if you’re into oppressive religion it’s a wonderful place to idle away the days.
Rich… But only to the royals/businessmen.
Most of us live normally if not a little worse off than the average westerners.
The only perk I have at all is healthcare. The west is basically better at everything other than that.
If you are a native regardless of royalty, dont you still get a lots of benefits and stuff like welfare? This all based on hearsay, the few whom i personally know that immigrated to work there have said so
Welfare such as healthcare, education, and shelter? Besides shelter (they claim they provide for the homeless, they lie) healthcare & education is free. I can’t complain about the healthcare, but i definitely can about the education: It’s so bad, it doesn’t even matter. Beatings are still practiced in schools, the textbooks are filled with propaganda of all kind, they are completely unsanitary and unfit for a healthy environment. They don’t even get school-paid lunches for the children.
And for shelter, i’ve seen homeless people completely naked, only covered by a blanket, sitting in the blistering heat, starved to the bone. It’s BS like everything else.
If i have to give away good healthcare for just not living in Saudi, i’d pay it twosome.
but i definitely can about the education: It’s so bad, it doesn’t even matter. Beatings are still practiced in schools, the textbooks are filled with propaganda of all kind, they are completely unsanitary and unfit for a healthy environment.
So basically like every other south asian school prior to 2015
And for shelter, i’ve seen homeless people completely naked, only covered by a blanket, sitting in the blistering heat, starved to the bone. It’s BS like everything else.
I know most countries try to hide their homeless population(even the goody-two-shoes countries like japan) butThis is the first time i have heard of this, how exactly do you become homeless in a welfare state? Its an easy process in a capitalist society but barring political dissenters (who are likely to be executed outright) what must go wrong that you find yourself on the streets.
Also i dont know if its okay to ask but are you a native or there due to circumstances (like a child of first generation immigrants or your parents are working in the country and you just happened to be there)
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the government also thretens people who use vpn with jail and heavy fines
Easier said than done. At least, for the second one.
What are the obstacles in the way of leaving?
Who’s giving you asylum exactly for “I’m from Saudi Arabia”? A refugee camp in North Africa if you’re lucky?
I know a Saudi in the United States that got asylum because they are gay.
If I may ask, how was their experience applying for asylum? And what do they think of the US as a place to live?
I think they chose to request asylum in the US. They are part of the gay community here. They only provided a short, funny version of their asylum experience, claiming they told whoever that they are very gay, and we’re granted asylum.
Thanks, it seemed easy for them being a discriminated minority, hopefully I will have the same experience. Not gay, but other undisclosed stuff that makes me a minority in danger.
Believe it or not, it’s possible. If you’re gay, atheist or a whistleblower you are eligible for asylum. But you’re right that just being born in Saudi isn’t a free ticket to Berlin.
The trick is actually presenting yourself and getting them to believe you though I’d bet.
Getting citizenship is hard, (even asylum is turned down often). You need a stable job in that country, and above average skills to prove your worth. If not, you’ll be deported back.
You also need to stay in that country for [upto] 10 years.
And you have to leave everything behind, your culture, your family, and your friends. It would be too dangerous to go back. And they might not even accept you, immigration is brutal.
Even after you become a citizen, many people will never truly accept you as your own, and see you as an immigrant, never as a citizen.
And Saudi Arabia is well known to harass, spy on, and even kill dissidents. There was a scandal with twitter, where the Sauds bought up large amounts of stocks, then ordered 3,000 Saudi dissident’s private info. Even in other countries you aren’t safe.
And money. You need money. A shit ton of it.
Just my 2 cents but it’s better to be seen as an immigrant in the wide world than to be seen as a threat to the kingdom in SA. Most middle eastern immigrants in the US do very well as long as they respect the social fabric they integrate into.
True, but it’s still annoying how it’s a lose lose situation for me anyway. I’d rather be seen as abnormal than killed.
So now if i want to see a post by a user on blahaj, i have to turn on my VPN just to see it. Fuck this place. 🙄
One of the first conversations I was on when I joined was one between Ada, the lemmy.blahaj.zone admin, and some guy in a Middle Eastern country. Apparently his country had blocked lemmy.blahaj.zone at the national network level.
The Threadiverse is federated, so one could view posts from lemmy.blahaj.zone elsewhere, but not images, which did not propagate.
I thought that at some point, lemmy servers had started also storing images posted on other lemmy servers, but upon checking, it looks like they have not. I did run into one – no longer up – that had, according to the description, had apparently been modified to do this, probably to afford its users more privacy. In theory, if you could find one that did so, you could just rely on propagation through the network.
Some shitheads started to spam CSAM and it got cached on other instances too. db0 admin created a tool to check every upload via library of hashes of known dangerous images (not images themselves). Since then, most images are stored locally on instances and aren’t cached by others.
If i remember correctly after the downfall of reddit and the mass migration to Lemmy happened a big issue was CSAM spreading across the Lemmy servers. Wouldn’t surprise me that that is the cause that images are no liner stored across servers.
Image proxy is what I suspect you mean. The problem with that from an instance admin is that on the network level it would them show their instance accessing whatever content their users request which then puts the owner at risk, so I believe most never enabled it. If an instance owner set up an instance with a particularly strong opsec game though where their outbound connections where routed over a VPN or TOR though that could be useful to censored countries. Might make for an interesting project…
That’s not really the problem. The main issue until now is that when you try to proxy all images, what ends up happening is that a lot of popular image hosters start rate limiting your server’s IP, so your users end up just seeing a lot of broken images, and they think you misconfigured your instance. @sunaurus@lemm.ee had to deal with this iirc.
That too I suppose. I seem to recall the feature coming out not too long after all the CSAM issues, so liability for that always stuck in my mind.
Hmm.
IPv6 addresses are a far less-constrained resource than IPv4 addresses.
I wonder if it might be possible to do the requests over IPv6, using a range of addresses, assuming that the image hosting services in question only care about rate of requests from a single address.
EDIT: Also, for OP’s case, all he cares about is propagation of images hosted on other lemmy instances, not image hosting services. Presumably those instances don’t care about other instances serving their pictrs images. I wonder if it’d be possible to have an option to only proxy for pictrs-served images?
Rate limitors from ipv6 tend to take into account the whole subnet which is assigned to your account, so that’s not a way to avoid them
That’s good to know, thank you. Unfortunately alot of the communities i spend time in have a lot of blahaj users, so i don’t have context of the post sometimes. Better than nothing, though.
Change the title from “they” to “Saudi Arabia”.
Blocked. They fucking geoblocked blahaj.zone.
Geoblocked for whom?
Saudi arabians.
Geo blocking is the wrong term to use. It implies the platform blocked a country.
This is a country blocking a platform.
Ah, OK. That makes more sense. Especially as it seems to be happening in Saudi Arabia.
Oops, i thought they were the same thing.
Pro tip: Don’t “click here”!
man that page is so fucking annoying, everything i try to open anything it’s just blocked. All sites critical of islam/saudi/sauds, and alcohol/porn/and anything that they hate. Even tor and vpns are blocked, i need to use a mirror to get them, which may not always be safe (atleast for the VPN, tor has trusted mirrors)
ngl i think of running a vpn on my router, literally just not to see that fucking page anymore (and security too, ofc :) )
I’m not aware of how exactly blocking works there, but if it’s similar to China and Russia, consider subscribing to a VPN provider that supports stealth proxies (e.g. Shadowsocks or VLESS); that’s harder to block.
dw, proton works just fine for me :) though i have to jump through hoops to get it installed, since they blocked the official website too, but i just use a package manager to get it for me as a proxy
I’ll have to check out stealth proxies out though, thank you! :D
Use Tor snowflakes. They are very resistant to censorship and many of us in the western world run the extension so that you can get access to accurate information.
Just as a heads-up: What you just wrote is an admission of a crime in SA. Everything you post on the fediverse is public. And you now know they’re aware of Lemmy.
I hope you are absolutely sure whatever you’re using to hide your identity is bomb-proof, and that you’ve never posted any identifying info under this account or any other one with the same username.I know :/ I’ve said some things that’d get me beheaded publicly (not joking) but now the feds are here on lemmy i gotta clean my account.
PS: i’ll delete this comment in an hour, jic
it’s been an hour
thanks 👍
In turkey, you don’t even need to bein the government to have access! They give out their private databases for confidential citizen data out like it’s Christmas and they’re a charity for orphaned kids with leukemia!
Simply put, never reveal anything if you’re a Turk, I can be doxxed from revealing where I even lived or which day my birthday is
So, I actually lie! I lie about my real name, where I’m born and my age and birth date
Why would someone use an Afghanistan TLD for that, given it’s illegal to be LGBTQ there? If course the domain is going to be removed.
Why? Because “queer af” is funny as a domain, and people sometimes don’t realize that tlds can be under certain jurisdictions
It also wasn’t a problem until governments changed
also the majority of people don’t know TLDs are country based
This makes me feel old
lmao, what’s with islamists and gay sites??
The Qur’an?
It’s not like they really care about it anyway.
Yeah, i hate gay people just as god intended, but i literally break every single law in the quran beyond that.
- Every Saudi royal
I also don’t remember a verse in the quran mentioning hacking a man then dissolving his corpse in acid, must be in surat al-baqarah…
Please don’t use so many swear words, as they might execute you.
I’m not sure if this is a joke or not, but don’t worry, there’s no law against it, and it’s normal.
I’m sorry, I should have used “/s”. It was a dark sarcastic joke, because in that region people can get the death sentence for vague things like sorcery, witchcraft and also (from the perspective of my region) totaly harmless things like homosexuality.
Ohhh, sorry 🤦♂️ But yes, we take “witchcraft” very seriously here for some reason. (Also with gay people, but at least gay people are real)
Who’s deciding whether someone is sufficiently pious or not?
Apologies, I forgot to mention some points:
They don’t have to be pious, I misremembered it. They must all be male, and they can only testify for non rape cases. Rape has different jurisdictions, but you are still severely punished by not being able to prove you were raped.
Rape jurisdiction is a blur in the Sharia, but they accept pregnancies, bruises and word of mouth as proof. However the problem is whether they accept it or not.
PS: all of that doesn’t include marital rape, it’s legal here.
Thanks for the info!!!
here’s another fun fact, did you know you can get stoned to death for adultery, even if you’re straight? Even if you’re raped, you need 4 pious people as witnesses. If you cannot find them, you will be punished
Ain’t religious government so fun?!
Because trans content is against god. Or something like that.
What’s 196?
Except in iran, they love 'em!
As for 196, !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
