Bing/Microsoft are so scummy lately
latelyThe enemy of my enemy is still my enemy! But an enemy I like to watch.
Remember when they proved that bing was just providing google search results?
Like it straight up sent your search query to google search and fed back the results in the bing skin.
I’ll need a source for that.
Think this covers it but i havent got time at this moment to read through it.
Just try yourself, the claim is obviously false.
https://www.bing.com/search?pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR&q=bullshit
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=bullshitThe results here are nothing alike.
Her I have the first result on Google being “Prime video”, which does not occur on the first page of Bing.
On Bing the first result is Wikipedia English, where Google has Wikipedia Danish as 2nd result, and the English not occuring on first page.spoiler
They should probably just make that the default homepage at this point
Honestly, that’s actually smart and nobody is hurt here. Google by now is as shit as Bing, so there’s nothing wrong with using B instead of G. Let them downvotes come :)
Is Google really as shit as Bing? I had to Ask Jeeves to confirm that.
Dogpile and save time
I’ll InfoSeek the answer for you :)
Lycos.
Is that like Webcrawler?
Honestly G might be worse than B at this point
I see this as an action intended to trick users.
Misleading users is definitely harmful. Since this is obviously done on purpose, I’d say it’s malicious.
It’s malicious and I like it. What’s more entertaining than watching giants fight?
yeah, you’re right, actually. if I have to fit this somewhere in my framework of things, it’d fall in the “dark pattern” box. so per definition it’s actually malicious.
Microsoft is a pathetic little husk of a company, what a corny and predatory practice that not even google cares to do if you search other search engines.
Usual Microsoft, using shady tactics instead of creating a better product or just focusing on their own thing and respecting user choice. They should grow up sometime.
They seem to pathologically not be able to help themselves, even with products that don’t need to be promoted that way. I used Outlook for Android for years because it was actually quite good. Had a multi account inbox view, true dark mode, Galaxy Watch compatibility when those were all rather unusual features. But then they started trying to put Bing search in my long press menu system wide, using Outlook as the Trojan horse to do so, and I just found that too obnoxious
I don’t think they can. They would need to rethink their company culture, but because the current one makes big numbers go up, they don’t really have to change anything.
lol the gall
Wait, is Microsoft using Google’s copyrighted work on their page without authorization? This is going to get pulled so fast they’re gonna get whiplash.
Why would they? They can imitate Google’s style w/o violating their copyright, it would actually be easier to reinvent the wheel than to try to somehow copy what Google has. It’s nothing special, just a bit of padding and margin settings for result cards and whatnot.
Yeah this “Microsoft” group seems to be pretty established and it looks like they have decent resources.
And probably a lawyer or two to look things over.
Don’t worry, “the mushroom will eat the fungus”. It may be the other way around, but whatever.
and when you try getting chrome, instead of getting maneuvered by microsoft you get a virus
note how the fact it is sponsored is completely unhighlighted, and the link microsoft allows them to show you above the title is straight up not what it is
It’s their right to do so
It’s my right to say it’s shitty behavior and I look down on it
No one is saying you can’t?? Lmao. Needed to get your daily persecution fix did ya. Enjoy it little buddy
Besides Privacy DDG is wayy better then Google And Bing + It has a better search quality.
I think Kagi is way better, but unluckily it’s a paid product. Most of the people will never pay for a search engine.
DDG may be better for privacy, but I’ve found their search results to be garbage.
It shows less results but i find it to be better personally.
Make sure you have regional results enabled if you’re not from the US, results get way better (just make sure the little toggle right below the search bar is on)
I disagree with the quality part.
I don’t think there’s a difference in search quality, but I do really like the bangs and the client-side settings (can completely disable the AI noise, enable dark mode, etc all w/o needing an account).
Agree
I prefer DDG to either as well, but in terms of search quality … Don’t they use Bing search results?
Yes they use Bing but i think they did some adjustments to improve the search quality (Correct me if am wrong)
because it’s not google we’re gonna make it look exactly like google
This is a genius move to keep you from Google search
Seems more like a genius move to get slapped with another antitrust-like lawsuit.
I mean the original lawsuit was for aggressively bundling Internet Explorer and kneecapping other browsers. Which sure sounds a lot like a minor variation on what they’ve been doing with Edge and Bing for a while now, without consequences. Antitrust enforcement is not something I have a lot of confidence in for the foreseeable future.
Corps don’t give a fuck about an antitrust law suit. In the US, the party that pays the most to jerk off CEOs just got put in charge. Even if it was the other party, who only pays slightly less, the most extreme fines are a slap on the wrist. Hell, come Jam 20th it’ll probably a tax write off.
Until the EU levies fines that would kneecap these companies out of business, there is no incentive to change the behavior.
Kind of fucked up but tbf Google does similarly shady stuff.
Please just use duckduckgo (or SearX).
DDG is just Bing under the hood
And Searx is the same. And startpage is just google.
But the point is they don’t track.
DDG was letting Bing track users. They may have stopped now that they got in trouble for it.
Wait really?
Best I could find was this arstechnica article from 2022:
Microsoft trackers run afoul of DuckDuckGo, get added to blocklist: Search privacy company still needs Bing, but won’t allow Microsoft’s trackers. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/microsoft-trackers-run-afoul-of-duckduckgo-get-added-to-blocklist/
Yeah that would be it:
Previously, we were limited in how we could apply our 3rd-Party Tracker Loading Protection on Microsoft tracking scripts due to a policy requirement related to our use of Bing as a source for our private search results
I couldn’t remember the details exactly, but basically up until then they were allowing Microsoft tracking despite all their advertising claiming they wouldn’t track users.
Nope, that was a massive misinterpretation that DDG clarified many times already.
SearX is dead; you should use SearXNG now.
I would use anything else before DDG, the primary function of it which is searching, generally feels sucky
I host my own SearXNG instance, which miiiight be a bit of a bad idea because the anonymity of the crowd disappears but hosting your own services is way too cool to ignore. It’s at search.gregtech.eu in case anyone wants to use it.
What I don’t like about SearXNG (aside of no favicons/icons I think) is that it doesn’t show the content of what I am looking for in the browser desktop tabs, if I search for “Linux” in the tab it is only shown “SearXNG” instead of what I am searching for… That definitely kills my browsing habits… I hope I am being clear (can’t post a screenshot right now), also unsure if it was the same with mobile browsers.
I can set up a favicon resolver on my instance. I’ll do it today.
Thank you, I didn’t even know it was possible.
I am gonna try it later, happy spying /j
There we go, I have the favicons set up. Sorry for the intermittent downtime, I was doing some configuration.
It supports favicons now, it has to be enabled by the instance.
Thanks for the heads up, always a good thing being proved wrong when asking for features :p
That is configurable. Settings > Privacy > Query in the page’s title
Oh, so it was a privacy feature then? Neat!
You can control that with a setting. In Settings - Privacy, turn on “Query in the page’s title.”
My instance has a magnifying glass as the favicon.
Thank you, totally missed this then 😄
Hahha GregSearX I love it!
I’ve used searX in the past and found it was decent but personally I am going to stick with duckduckgo because it just works better for my needs (especially since I’m on mobile).
So then you can track my searches?
I guess I could technically do that, but I really don’t give a f what people search for on my searxng instance. Plus, Google and the likes have an incentive to use your searches for advertising and building a profile on you.
If people search for illegal content does that get you in trouble?
I mean, none of that content is on my server, and the search engines searxng indexes probably so their best to remove illegal stuff.
I really hope I don’t get in trouble for anything, but I doubt I will. I have a grand Total of like 5 users.
You are in for a surprise, tomorrow you will have 7 users, you just got Lemmyed!
Lemmy hug of… life?
Pretty impressed, very accurate information
It pulls from Wikidata
Accurate indeed. Pee is stored in the balls, cum is stored in the prostate
You know your content is certainly used to train LLMs ?
Did they stutter? Everything they said is 100% accurate.
How did you change the logo? I tried to do that on my instance and failed miserably. Running it through docker.
You gotta mount the image to the place where searxng accesses it, like this in docker compose:
volumes: - ./searxng:/etc/searxng:rw - type: bind source: ./images/searxng.png target: /usr/local/searxng/searx/static/themes/simple/img/searxng.png
This is nothing like GregTech! Where’s the tedious microcrafting to enjoy before every search?
I asked them about that once and they created the instance without knowing about the modpack. xd
I feel like Microsoft is way more shameless about their shady stuff. They’ve been messing around with impersonating google/chrome for awhile now, they recently had that thing where they would copy all your open chrome tabs, and then when you started your computer it would open edge with all your chrome tabs to trick people into using edge instead.
They aren’t afraid of people complaining about them, they are afraid of the government, and they fulfill a hefty amount of contracts for the gov
