• reksas@sopuli.xyz
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    13 days ago

    Frankly, i can’t essentially distinguish tankies from nazi minded. They are just different flavor of far right.

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      Non-sarcastic reply:

      Horseshoe theory isn’t so much about “the far-left is the same as the far-right” as it is about “all authoritarians derive power from the same human instincts” and the further left or right you go, the more authoritarian you have to be in order to social achieve the narrative you’re aiming for.

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        to me , left vs right is about wanting to do good to other people and helping them be themselves vs controlling them by force if necessary. This whole political ideology mess is just stupid and confusing. It doesnt do good to my worldview though.

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          Historically, the Left is made up of the progressive class interests, while the right is made up of the regressive, or “reactionary” class interests. Wanting to progress beyond our current Mode of Production to a more collective one is Leftist, while pining for “the good old days” and seeking to turn the clock back, so to speak, is right wing.

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        Um… no, I don’t think so.

        The problem authoritarians have is that they’re just not that popular, so to be relevant at all, they must cloak their ideas in the language of the progressive. They must pretend to be something they’re not.

        I mean, I’m not saying being very strongly opinionated doesn’t lead to some authoritative rule-whipping, but I wouldn’t call that Authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is more like narcissist behavior.

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        This is just wishy washy vibes though. Historically fascism has risen from the interests of the Capitalist class and Communism has risen from the interests of the working class. Moreover, Communists have historically supported liberatory anti-colonialist movements, such as in Algeria and Palestine, Cuba and South Africa, while fascists have historically supported ever-more agressive colonialism. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti, it’s a witty read with intense historical rigor.

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          I think you’re actually missing the point. Horseshoe theory doesn’t say left and right want the same things or have the same motivations, it’s more like saying all armies need boots and weapons no matter what they’re fighting for.

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        Horseshoe theory is widely panned. Its just a centrist insult masquerading as a politcai theory.

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      Communism and Fascism are entirely different, both historically and ideologically, and to conflate the two is a massive error. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti, it’s a very enjoyable read due to Parenti’s characteristic wit while being packed with exacting historical rigor.

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        They didn’t write communism, they wrote tankies. And while I won’t equate tankies to nazis, they do share a lot of ideology, such as their love of strongmen.

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          The distinction between Communists and “tankies” doesn’t really matter at this point because the label of “tankie” is applied to every Communist these days, even Anarchists and progressive liberals. It’s generally a term without meaning. Either way, though, Communists don’t “love strongmen,” that’s more of a post-hoc explanation liberals come up with to denounce Communist movements, ie “Che Geuvara is a strongman, that’s why Communists support Cuba” etc. etc.

          You should read the book too.

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      They are just different flavor of far right.

      BANNED: Horseshoe theory

      /s

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      Horeshoe Theory again.

      The political spectrum is bent. Historically, the extreme far left and the extreme far right are just different avenues of arriving at the same destination, which is totalitarianism. Absolute power corrupts, etc.