Do you guys have higher tolerance to buggy bs? Are you all gaslighting people to get higher adoption? Does it just work? If so… How??
I’ve tried about every distro in multiple different laptops/desktops, amd gpus, basically every possible idea and there’s always weird ass bugs and issues and a ton of involuntary learning involved.
edit. Any chances you guys could suggest me one setup that “just works” no ifs and no buts? Or does it not exist in the Linux world?
edit2. Since people are asking for specifics I’m going to pick one random distro I’ve tried recently and list the issues I’ve had:
- On Arch fresh install with archinstall, everything default pmuch:
Immediately greeted with this. thread discussing it here.
I could live with that though, kinda…
Gnome apps in Arch are taking multiple seconds to open/tab back into and freezing, no idea how to debug it.
Could also live with it…
The killer one is that the battery life just sucks badly. about 15W idling with tlp, for comparison Debian with tlp gives me sub 5Watts. But again, Debian comes with a whole different set of issues.
I’ve only listed the one I’ve tried most recently, but the experience is similar with all distros I’ve tried.
I will grant, this is kind of a bad time. Pipewire, pulseaudio, and the Wayland transition make all of this WAY buggier than it was a few years ago. Fedora, I find, works best these days, but is not without issues. In some ways, though, never been a better time, as Windows 11 is itself adware basically, and Apple breaks shit all the time on update if you’re a power user. I’ve been a linux-er since 1996, but this is the first time I’ve gone YEARS without any non-unix stacks in my life, and I’m all linux on normal computer form factors, and it’s been great mostly.
Maybe Linux just isn’t for you, and that’s okay. Go use Windows or Mac and enjoy your “just works” setup and lack of involuntary learning.
Indeed. I’ll prob try a mac next time I swap laptops.
My motto is “macOS/iOS on desktop/phone,” Linux on everything else. I’m a programmer by day but I don’t want to fight for all the features I take for granted in Apple’s walled garden.
Haters might hate, and I still love watching Linux development but I’m more into server/CLI stuff on Linux than I am trying to make Gnome/KDE/Wayland as seamless as macOS.
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What distros have you tried?
Like, literally all of them.
What bugs have you found?
All sorts of weird bugs in different distros. it would be much easier if you asked what bugs happened in a specific distros.
But what I wanted to know is more like: I’m not trying to solve every single little bug I’ve encountered so far. What I’m looking for is a less buggy experience, does it exist in the Linux world?
Really, which issues did you have under Hannah Montana Linux?
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mint cinnamon. your experience sounds a lot like mine whenever i try any other distro. mint is the best.
I’ve tried it, currently getting screen artifacts unless i follow these instructions which only bring more questions up for me. Because on mint I’m not using that kernel, it shouldn’t be happening but yet here we are. Weird bugs.
Plus, on anything debian related flatpaks take about 5 seconds to open every time. And I have no clue how to debug that.
First of all, Arch has very few use cases imo for the average person, Debian is extremely stable but most of its problems come from outdated packages, maybe try fedora or something similar? just a suggestion.
Also, buggy is the wrong word, i’m being pedantic, but the problems you’re experiencing are very real, but most likely not from bugs.
I will say its interesting how a lot of tech people (myself included) tend to gaslight ourselves into believing stuff is easy, like the fediverse and linux, sure it makes sense to you but it likely doesn’t make sense to the average tiktok/bluesky user.
Buggy how? What specifically is an issue? Have you ever gotten to a stable and working point? If so, what changed?
I personally only use Linux in servers. It may take a while to configure initially, but then I don’t touch it in any meaningful way for years.
Have you ever gotten to a stable and working point? If so, what changed?
I have, and what changed? Random new issues just pop up and we are back at square one.
You need quite a bit of fiddling to get everything set up, and then it just works
It’s very strange that you’ve made a post about bugs but chose not to list any of the bugs.
Like, how can we make a recommendation if we don’t know what types of issues you’re running into? What type of hardware you have? What expectations you have?
It just kind of screams of disgruntled user syndrome. These are community lead projects so, yes, they’ll have bugs. But if people never say what they are or what issues they had with what they used, the best the rest of us can do is just guess!
It’s very strange that you’ve made a post about bugs but chose not to list any of the bugs.
Sorry if I made it seem like the post was about bugs. It’s about me asking what is the most seamless experience you can have on Linux?
I’m not particularly trying to post a laundy list of bugs that I’m trying to fix, because frankly I don’t want to fight them tooth and nail.
I’m just trying to figure out if people put up with that and it’s not a problem for them, or if there’s a setup that you dont have to worry about that.
Mint it pretty easy. I use it on an MSI Creator (I got it for free). 22 just dropped and its better than ever.
I use Linux since 1998 or 99 (can’t remember precisely). I’ve tried everything. From Arch to Gentoo and RH to Debian. If you want stability, you go with either Debian, or Linux Mint. I personally use Debian-Testing (Trixie) on my main PC (it’s very stable, unlike Sid or Arch or other rolling releases), and Mint on my laptops. I’ve found peace that way.
What are the specs of your setup?
Currently on desktop 3700x, 6700 xt, and laptop 6900hs 6800s + 680m. all amd both. But I’ve used many other setups and they’ve all had weird problems.
Honestly, it just works or not works as much as other operating systems. I’ve just come to like its way of working or not working more than others. I get it. When something doesn’t work the symptoms usually let me know where to look for a fix.
By now this comes down to experience and the ability to read and understand error messages.
When I watch people online in videos messing up with Linux it usually seems to be due to them not reading correctly and ignoring vital information, skipping stuff or trying to alter some process in a misguided way. See Linus Sebastian entering “yes, do as I say” without realising that the system is trying to keep him from making a fatal mistake.
I’m running Linux mainly on a Microsoft Surface Go 1 and on a 2012 MacBook Pro occasionaly, so no friendly Linux machines.
On the Surface Go, except getting it to boot on the USB drive and some bluetooth problems everything works flawlessely.
On the MacBook, except a wifi card problem once a year, everything works fine.
I’m running Fedora Workstation and was using Ubuntu before (Fedora suits me better). Maybe you should try one of these distributions before trying a more difficult one.
I’m really encountering less bugs than on Windows at work.
Tl;dr - Use Mint, as for other bug complaints pics or gtfo
Running the mainline distros I’ve never encountered an installation that didn’t “just work”. I’ve thrown mint on basically every device people in the family have any no one has come back to me for any software breaking bugs.
The only bug I can remember messing me personally up was a few years ago when a bad grub update stopped booting my arch machine, but that was more me than the os’s fault. Which is more than people who got bricks from CrowdStrike can say.
If you can narrow down anything beyond “bugs” and “basically all distros” you don’t want help. There’s tens of thousands of distros and an infinite number of possible bugs.
Tl;dr - Use Mint, as for other bug complaints pics or gtfo
I’ve recorded this video on Arch. But I was having the exact same issue on Mint. Also sadly on anything Debian related flatpaks are SLOW for me, like slow slow slow.
And this kind of comment is what I find so weird, it’s such a diametrically opposite experience from what happens to me. On a fresh arch install currently: Those screen artifacts, gnome apps(terminal ,nautilus etc) just randomly freeze. Usually when tabbing back to them. And quite a few crashes all around.
What are your hardware specs, are you running xorg or wayland? The video is kind of hard to see what you’re referencing beyond the screen tearing on desktop transition.
Can only speak from personal experience, sadly. Other than the self-inflicted kind (running Asahi on a MPB for example) I’ve had a more or less painless experience. Off the top I have about 9 devices running Linux (excluding Pis) and have used Linux almost exclusively for about 10 years.
I should note that bugs and the like aren’t unheard of, for example I had a friend who’s laptop refused to sleep properly - I just personally don’t have any horror stories.
What are your hardware specs, are you running xorg or wayland? The video is kind of hard to see what you’re referencing beyond the screen tearing on desktop transition.
6900hs, 6800s / 680m on that laptop and wayland. I found a “solution” to that in the arch forums but one that wrecks battery life at the same time.
You also mentioned above that you’re using Arch, and while I personally love Arch and think it’s reputation is way overblown, for better or worse it is a fairly stripped back distro and isn’t going to have a bunch of edge-case stuff built in. Now, typically Mint does so with that issue persistent across them I am more inclined to think it isn’t going to be that wasy but you might try a Pop/OpenSuse/Fedora and see if anything they’re bundled with just magically solves the issue. I suspect a live image would be sufficient for testing that
I’ve tried all of those. They solve some issues but introduce some newer issues.
Currently I’m fighting Debian trying to fix an issue where all flatpaks take about 5 seconds to open. I can’t even find a similar case on google.
Try what post #2 says? https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=159418
The guys in this thread also mention checking permissions and versions https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=417949
I don’t typically use flatpaks so I am way outside my depth here.
For most people, using Linux is not a buggy experience. So no, people aren’t gaslighting you. Normally, you grab a modern release like the latest Fedora or Ubuntu and you can get a live desktop up in seconds booting from a USB stick.
Esoteric hardware can be a problem if particular driver haven’t been developed yet. That tends to hit laptops harder than desktops, but it’s much less of an issue than it used to be.
People are asking for specifics because they don’t share your experience and so can’t fill in the blanks.
I see. Since it’s a newish post I’ll update the main body with the issues I’m having with one distro for example.
You are not used to dealing with bugs, it seems. I would say Linux Desktop users are generally always fiddling around. It also depends on your specific hardware setup.
