We are totally screwed because now they’re going to put these in cheap laptops and peddle them to the elderly and the non-technically inclined who don’t know any better. Then, us tech people have to deal with “why is my Windows 11 pentium 3 pc so goddamned slow”
Don’t buy a $200 laptop off temu and you should be good.
Given how fast China can progress when they put their minds to it, this is worrying.
They don’t have the EUV machines needed to make the most modern chips. Only DUV so far.
Well, when you’ve spent the past 20 years stealing intellectual property and conducting industrial espionage is it really that hard to get to this point?
Actually they were just exchanging their cheap labour and garbage disposal for the West’s collective greed. So its only fair they return in kind.
I dunno, stealing intellectual property from companies strikes me as a victimless crime.
But more than that, it’s the only way for poor countries to work their way out of poverty. We hold the profitable ends of the value chain, developing countries are left holding the unprofitable middle, and we won’t provide any of the know-how needed to work the more profitable parts.
Either we willingly include technology transfer as part of globalisation, or we whine about ‘IP theft’. Because we can’t expect poor countries to willingly stay poor to benefit us.
China is the second largest economy in the world, nobody is whining about Ethiopia borrowing ideas to feed people.
They weren’t 20 years ago though.
Well then by your logic, why are they still doing it today, now more than ever, if it’s just a way out of poverty? Hmm 🤔
I never said it’s just a way out of poverty, the world is more complex than that.
But to address your point China is still a developing country. It’s also a rich country. It’s weird.
Chinese companies compete with US companies, so of course they steal from them. Just like US companies steal from their competitors. When our companies do it, they just call it competitive intelligence.
No, I’m afraid not. In America there are laws against stealing shit, look at what happened to the Apple Watch over the past few weeks. Or the billions Adobe paid to look at Figma’s IP.
I hope you spend decades creating something new and exciting only to have someone else come along and steal it. I’m sure you’ll shrug it off 🤷 and say they were just competing (since now you’ve said it’s not poverty driven).
What’s the next goalpost you’re going to move?
Stealing IP is victimless up to a point: At the point where companies that pay for innovation are out-competed by companies that just steal this innovations, everyone that wants technological progress is a victim. This is why I have an issue with companies like Huawei blatantly stealing IP. We wouldn’t have the tech we rely on today if not for someone eating the cost of innovation, turning a profit, and seeing continued innovation as a viable business strategy.
Given the way corporations in the United States have taken advantage of the American people I’m fine with saying IP theft isn’t victimless but I’m glad it’s happening to these corporations. If they want American citizens to care they need to start treating American citizens better. Until then I’m fully in support of China fucking over every American corporation.
Yeah, I get that. That totally makes sense.
However, it only makes sense up to a total point. When it gets to the bizarre situation that even trivial things are patented, and cannot be used, ever again, then IP stops being meaningful. IIRC the scrollbar in browsers used as such an example.
Like, IP, if used a little bit of it, helps innovation. But if the IP laws are too strict, it turns into the opposite, and hinders innovation.
I’m not sad China is stealing IP from billionaires who are hoarding their wealth. If those billionaires want American citizens to care then share more of the profits.
I love it when the apologists’ friends show up, when you guys can’t argue the high ground any more you just take aim at everyone else
You think coming to the defense of billion dollar corporations is the moral high ground? How much boot are you licking?
You lost the argument, time to redirect redirect redirect!
What argument? I just said I don’t care if China is stealing from these corporations.
Given how fast China can progress when they put
theirour minds to it, this is worrying.
I have this wyse Cx0… runs kolibriOS now
It runs some via chip from the early 2000s despite being from 2011
I think this is similar or maybe a lil faster
First I’ve heard of these so I looked into it
It’s basically a continuation of VIA’s x86 tech (they sold the cyrix processors for a while if anyone remembers them). I assumed it was just copyright theft, but these are legitimately licensed x86 chips.
Apparently the current generation of these is like the Ryzen 3000 series, but I can’t find any actual benchmarks, so I’ll take that with a bit of salt. I doubt they will have the same power efficiency as the OP ones since the clock is apparently at 3.7GHz.
This is much cooler than I initially realised though. A viable 3rd player can keep competitor prices down so we would all benefit even if most of us aren’t buying these chips
The cyrix line of cpu was always far behind intel and amd. They ran super hot too. One time we wanted to see how much we could overclock one and it burned itself through the motherboard!
Offtopic, but I’ve seen an arcade monitor where a component (resistor, most likely) had burned a hole through the PCB and was gone… and the monitor was still operational!
This is somewhat common. I had that happen with a VRM power transistor on a graphics card. Wasn’t very operational after it happened though.
the current generation of these is like the Ryzen 3000 series
They are not like Ryzens, they are actual Ryzens made in collaboration with AMD. They have a few differences but its pretty much the same chip, same performance. I think they are still making these chips.
IIRC they still update their old VIA-based chips in parallel for embedded applications or something. Don’t quote me on this one, it has been a while.
I thought the Chinese AMD chips were called Hygon or something like that?
In fact a quick google suggests these are two different CPU lines, but I might be getting it wrong
Its been a long time since I read about it, I’m the one probably getting this wrong.
I think I had a Cyrix 233 at one point in the 90s. Can’t believe we’ve got calculators that are faster than that now!
Gamers Nexus tried one a while back. It wasn’t great but it ran.
It’s progress. Competition is always good.
This post just gave me the most cursed idea ever.
Am x86 processor competitor but instead of implementing every single opcode it just has the common ones, and any unknown opcode it asks ChatGPT to write an equivalent C language implementation, JIT-compiles it and executes it.
Congratulations, you just reinvented basically the same thing (minus the “AI” buzzword) that Transmeta was doing a quarter-century ago.
I didn’t say it was original.
That checks out
