Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
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Crapple
Yes, well, the whole point is that them following the law means that their assistance warranting fees (like running a store) isn’t required. So I hope they get nailed.
I can’t wait to use AI to scam the elderly into side loading bitcoin miners.
No fan of apple. Don’t own a single product.
But my guess they are planning to argue thay this part of the rule.
“at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
Mean they cannot allow free side loading when many apps on their store have to pay to be available. Also as they have rules limiting the apps allowed via their store front. Allowing free side loading without checking the activities of the app. Would also be allowing conditions different from their store.
My guess is they want to argue that the law is badly formed and cannot be followed while providing a safe enviroment within your own services.
Sorry, can’t be bothered with whatever issue this is.
I’m busy shopping for a North Face tent so I’ll have it to camp in the next time a new ear pod case gets released.
I’d love to see an apple cuck try and explain this
Apple is protecting the end user. Through charging a fee apple ensures the end user is really sure they want to sideload the app. This both creates more free storage space and helps the user sideload only the best applications… I’m still working on my corporate speech but that’s what I’d imagine them saying
Did Tim Cook have a bad trip or something? Apple normally isn’t this blatantly shitty.
Apple normally isn’t this blatantly shitty.
(¬_¬ ) Dude, you been living under a rock?
No
Joke aside, Apple has always been anti-consumer and shitty. Unfortunately.
They’re always this shitty, the difference is that usually they can just throw enough money at politicians to get their way at the government level so their shit just stinks behind closed doors. But for one shining moment a government that matters actually told them “no” so they have no choice but to be shitty in public instead. Well, I mean they could choose to not be anti-consumer and forgo some of the obscene profits they extract from their users but then they wouldn’t be Apple.
of course Apple plans to charge fees for sideloading, a bunch of scumbags, but fear not, Apple fan boys cult members will regurgitate Apple’s propaganda as gospel
Already happening, just look at some comments
The fanboys make me angrier than Apple. It’s so frustrating to discuss something with someone who is so brainwashed.
think about this: to me, all you really toxic people (including the OP, for shame) against Apple are the ones looking quite brainwashed, culty, back-bitey and very small minded. probably because you are. think about that for a second before you snap reply - there ARE more than just your side to this buddy.
For the hate-cult members circle-jerking over imaginary arguments with “fan boys” here. Actual Apple users either completely agree with the criticism, or simply don’t even care.
Feel free to hate on Apple the company, but stop trying so hard to make this place a home for baseless toxicity.
Go look through those comments for a single soul saying anything about “Google fanboys”.
I mean, I agree with your sentiment, but I don’t think there have been actual “Google Fanboys” in like 10 years or so, whereas there are some real fans of Apple products and often they have good reasons to be a fan.
Apple has some shitty business practices sure, but they also produce the last consumer-level Certified UNIX machines you can easily get.
So I guess my point is Apple “fanboys” still exist because there’s some valid things to be fans for in regards to Apple. (Their new in-house CPUs aren’t too shabby either)
I can’t think of a single thing that Google has done in ten years that has generated tech community enthusiasm or was interesting enough for anyone to fanboy over. No, they’ve mostly just killed all the products people liked during that time.
I mean fuck Google+ came out in 2011 and that was the beginning of the end of people giving a shit about Google.
So while I get what you’re saying, I think the reality is that Google Fanboys simply stopped existing and Apple “fanboys” are probably less absurd than people make them out to be. The only Apple “fanboy” I know is a Linux Guru who uses Apple products to record music.
The point I’m going for is that I never see such levels of spite and toxicity directed at users of other platforms, be it Android, windows, Linux or whatever.
Yeah, I’m not really sure where that vitriol comes from. I think it might be leftover nerd elitism from a time when Apple products were mostly used for art and media production (we used them heavily for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop when I worked in local television), and so a lot of tech nerds got their panties in a twist because art nerds were invading their space, but that’s just a guess.
And also, that was like fifteen years ago? Let it go, if that’s the reason.
What is this gaslighting you’re trying to pull here? You’re really going to pretend that Apple fanboys don’t exist and instead start criticising sort of perceived toxicity from a “hate cult” against Apple? That’s before you get into some bizarre Google strawman. The reality is that these Apple fanboys with values antithetical to software freedom exist, and want walled gardens everywhere.
What purpose would there be in gaslighting something like this out of nowhere? Genuine question.
If you want to see examples of baseless vitriol directed at apple users, just keep reading the rest of the replies to OP’s post.The reality is that these Apple fanboys with values antithetical to software freedom exist,
Sure, just like anywhere else. You can’t point your finger exclusively at the apple camp for that.
and want walled gardens everywhere.
Speaking of staw men…
Some apple users prefer apple’s walled garden, sure, but they’re not going around saying Google, Windows or Linux must be walled as well.What purpose would there be in gaslighting something like this out of nowhere? Genuine question.
Most people, including myself, prefer their own version of reality. You are promoting a version of reality that I do not find tasteful at all. With conflicting realities, meaningful disagreement is impossible and the only thing I can do is question the narratives that oppose my own.
More generally, ego also plays a huge part in why people do this. Apple has a significant following that will defend its every decision. It’s brand has become personal identity for a lot of people. To the extent where I’ve been seeing news articles over the past two years about teenagers being bullied for using Android. This also happens to be the reason why people point their finger at Apple; because Apple users are the main group with such a distinct identity.
If they actually hated it, I doubt they’d be on a platform that restricted side loading in the first place. This feels strongly of “no true scotsman” fallacy.
I can’t say I am surprised. Apples view is that since they made the device and provided the software they are entitled to a cut of anything that happens on it, because that software makes use of something Apple created.
I don’t agree and think it is a crazy view. But that sort of corporate mindset is one of the reasons I have never been big on Apple products.
Apples view
So, these companies will throw whatever shit at a wall to see what sticks.
Their “view” is constantly probing how low people’s standards are so they can do the least while charging the most.
It’s called “maximizing profit.”
I think they’ll require developers of sideloaded apps to file monthly sales reports, with Apple having the right to audit them – same as they are doing for anyone bold enough to add a sales link to their web page in their iOS app.
For some reason, I picture Phil Schiller when I think of Apple. He’s gonna make you an offer you can’t refuse.
Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
Apple has an annual legal budget of approximately infinity dollars. I assure you they are aware of this and they believe they are in compliance, even if just barely.
If challenged, they will have no problem fighting it — they have nearly as much cash on hand as the entire EU budget.
I hope the EU challenges this, and I hope the EU wins, but Apple isn’t going to be surprised by whatever happens.
They will get free publicity and show the users how they stand up to the overreaching government. Their users will eat it up.
The fine would be approximately 10% of Apple’s total revenue and the fine increases by 10% every violoation so I doubt that Apple can not accept the regulations.
Unfortunately, Apple has the resources, both legal and financial, to tie that up in the EU courts for decades.
We’ll see what happens
What if I told you one of those two can make new laws?
In one afternoon the Commission+Parliament can change the basis of whatever case Apple wants to fight. And they are up against Vestager - she makes multinational software companies bend the knee twice before lunch.
You’re underestimating what EU can get gone when they’re motivated to get it done.
Apple has also been known to ignore laws and pay fines for breaking them. The store is a major revenue stream so they might just do that.
There’s the letter and there’s the spirit of the law. Even if Apple has found a brilliant loophole the courts can just say well it’s technically true but you’re still breaking the law nonetheless, lawyer budget be damned.
The EU court is a Roman court, not an Anglo Saxon court. The spirit of the law is what matters, not the technicalities.
Second, the EU can change the laws that create the outcome they don’t like. By the people, for the people. Apple will play within the EU’s rules or Apple won’t play in the EU.
I refuse to ever use a single Apple product.
Those who buy apple products deserve each other.
but apple sets “standards” that other companies blindly follow. it’s the reason why we have non-removable batteries, no charger inside the box, no audio jack, etc.
I have a macbook and I’m quite happy, what am I doing wrong?
Honestly? Nothing. People just say this kind of thing because we like to tinker with our devices. If what you bought satisfies your needs and you don’t need more, that’s just ok. Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use, so that’s what I go for, but not everyone is the same
Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use
That’s kind of my point. I don’t get the aggression people have for someone using different brand.
Come back when you have a problem with your keyboard*, or your drive, or charging issue. Repairability is downright bad now.
I like OSX well enough.* I like the form factor of the MacBooks now that they have escape keys again. It’s been 9 years since they made a MacBook that was reasonably decent to work on from the inside though. Even swapping a broken screen out is* like 3 hours now.
Exactly my thoughts. “Let’s jailbreak this, bypass that, circumvent that one thing…” Why do you subject yourself to this with a device you paid hundreds of dollars for?
As much as I’d like to have an iPhone, I’d rather not.
As an aside, it’s the same thing with game consoles. Is the whole “you must be connected to the internet” thing still happening? That’s what has been preventing me from getting a new xbox, for example.
I remember way back when I had my iPod Touch 4 (haven’t touched Apple since then) that I (intentionally) jailbroke it simply by tapping a button on a website in Safari. It was an exploit that used a bug in iOS’s PDF software, I believe.
I remember that technique as well. I thought it was neat.
Steam Deck is pretty awesome in the offline gaming regard, if that’s what you might be looking for.
I’d argue that there are a lot of offline mode frustrations with Steam but none of them are Steam’s fault, they are all due to individual games online requirements or DRM implementations.
Uh, it’s actually quite the opposite, most games you need to at least open them one time while connected to the internet for offline to work.
But that is not the fault of Steam Deck, which was discussed.
EU, I belive in you!
