If you mean by vigilantism, that’s a good way to get innocent people murdered. Unless you know some foolproof way for every random person out there who decides to take the law into their own hands to only kill the guilty. Good luck with that considering the history of “internet sleuths.”
Everyone seems to agree that school shootings shouldn’t happen, but Americans have been fed a steady diet of vigilante superhero myths since the creation of Superman in the 1930s and too many of them want to be their own Batman or Punisher.
People want to be superheroes. Do you think this guy is going to be the only one who decides to take the law into their own hands? Do you think everyone who does is going to get the person they intend to get and never make a mistake?
Something tells me you wouldn’t be so willing to have someone misidentify and then attack or kill you or someone you care about. But it’s okay when it’s an innocent stranger, right?
It’s also easy to mistake one person for another. It’s happened over and over and over again. People with the same name as someone else get harassed because they get doxxed and the harassers don’t bother checking.
You must know this. How many times have we seen it played out now?
Do you really think this is going to end without any innocent blood spilled?
Edit: It’s also not hard to convince a bunch of people some random person is an evil CEO just by doxxing them. Like I said, people don’t bother checking.
lol. These people are recognizable. You need to go to a lot of effort to locate and plan that. It’s highly unlikely anyone would “mistake” them for someone else. That’s like someone saying “I thought I was aiming at Elon Musk, at his house, but it turns out he has a doppelgänger who lives next door!”
Please show me the odds. I assume you’ve calculated them. Because I gave you a ton of examples of the wrong person being identified, including people who the vigilante thinks were a totally different person but they looked like the person they wanted to attack.
And I would like to know, like I asked someone else, where your line is. Is it okay if someone bombs a CEO in the middle of a city and a bunch of people around them die? If the CEO is with their family including an infant when they are attacked, is it okay if the infant is killed too?
No, we have a pretty good example of how to do it. Patience, low powder shells, home made silencer. Just don’t buy Starbucks or take a cab without changing clothes somewhere haha. Perhaps a prosthetic nose or a mustache.
You’re going to the worst case, when that’s pretty unlikely. Who has a bomb?! lol. It’s guns. Single target. Simple.
The line is check your target, get them alone, and just them. That’s a fuck ton more than they do when they indiscriminately kill thousands of people by denying valid claims. They’re getting off easy.
So, you ever had a job in law enforcement of any kind?
Why do you assume everyone wanting to do this vigilante thing will do that?
So, you ever had a job in law enforcement of any kind?
I’ve played this game before. If I say no, you’ll just claim I’m lying about it.
And it’s really silly to assume someone works or ever worked in law enforcement because they have seen a lot of vigilantes attack or kill the wrong person. Believe it or not, I just think that’s why vigilantism is a bad thing. You make a lot of silly assumptions.
Obviously this is an invented persona covering up my undercover police activites. Me and James Acaster. Curses, you found me out! I’m going to have to go back to the station and get a new mustache now.
Innocent people are already getting murdered. At least one murderer has now been held accountable that otherwise wouldn’t have. That’s a net positive to me so far.
When innocent people start dying because of this maybe I’ll give a shit. But the only people who have died from this is one horrible fucking monster. If you expect people to pretend to be sad about that then you’re a fool.
This guy thinks that if CEOs get killed, lots of innocent people will die. Yet we have a pretty good example of that not happening. My guess is that they still think “protesting” and “demanding” change actually creates it.
You are a mod. That’s no lie. And look at your own comments…. You fight for doing nothing, and relying on other people to fight for you. Hate to tell ya bro, it ain’t working out.
I have shown two people now a couple of dozen links of vigilantism getting an innocent person beaten or killed. The idea that copycats here would somehow be an exception and this is the one time “internet sleuths” always get it right is silly.
If you mean by vigilantism, that’s a good way to get innocent people murdered. Unless you know some foolproof way for every random person out there who decides to take the law into their own hands to only kill the guilty. Good luck with that considering the history of “internet sleuths.”
People just want school shooters to update their targeting algos…
But funny how we don’t have these moral discussions when school shootings happen though
Hmm
Everyone seems to agree that school shootings shouldn’t happen, but Americans have been fed a steady diet of vigilante superhero myths since the creation of Superman in the 1930s and too many of them want to be their own Batman or Punisher.
You are missing the point of what the people want.
They don’t want a super hero, he is just useful here.
People want for ruling class to listen and adjsit course. They are not getting it.
This got their attention and people are driving the point home. If they keep up their policies, when they get gunned down, we didn’t see nothing.
This the country the built for us. They love social Darwinism so why shouldn’t they face natural selection.
People want to be superheroes. Do you think this guy is going to be the only one who decides to take the law into their own hands? Do you think everyone who does is going to get the person they intend to get and never make a mistake?
As our dearest elites like to do, I am willing to face these risks.
That’s the risk of living in a degerate society where you are unable to get redress from the government or ruling class.
It is a class war which is inherently an asymmetric engagement. I am part of the working class so I can’t in good faith condemn this man.
And there it is- it’s okay with you if innocent people die as long as guilty people also die.
That really doesn’t make you much better than the CEOs who also don’t care if innocent people die.
Innocent people die for no reason under current arrangement everyday.
Best we get is some fake Pearl clutch about how unfortunate it is along with thoughts and prayers bullshit.
But you want people reading this exchange to worry about proverbial innocent person who might die if keep praising the shooter for a job well done?
Again, you clearly don’t understand what this is about or refuse to for whatever reason.
Americans got unified here… Do you wonder what would make normal people feel their way?
“They kill innocent people, so it’s okay if we kill innocent people” is not the moral argument you think it is.
Yes. Yes I do. Because I pay attention to what happens when vigilantes find the wrong person.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11125863
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Trayvon_Martin
https://6abc.com/archive/6851290/
https://calexicochronicle.com/2024/03/04/was-unhoused-calexico-man-victim-of-misplaced-vigilante-justice/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/innocent-man-attacked-by-vigilantes-in-berks-county/1956640/
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-man-exposed-paedophile-vigilante-28827889?int_source=nba#ltu4r69lxj0y7dl07mn
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2928387/vigilante-family-including-teen-19-shoots-neighbor-dead/
https://www.news9.com/story/5e3650792f69d76f62067d32/victim-of-mistaken-identity-vigilante-attack-in-tulsa-still-shaken-up
Something tells me you wouldn’t be so willing to have someone misidentify and then attack or kill you or someone you care about. But it’s okay when it’s an innocent stranger, right?
I mean, it’s easy to find the c-suite and board of directors of any company.
It’s also easy to mistake one person for another. It’s happened over and over and over again. People with the same name as someone else get harassed because they get doxxed and the harassers don’t bother checking.
You must know this. How many times have we seen it played out now?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/vigilante-paedophile-hunters-online-police
https://ethics.org.au/why-are-people-stalking-the-real-life-humans-behind-baby-reindeer/
https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/08/17/543980653/kyle-quinn-hid-at-a-friend-s-house-after-being-misidentified-on-twitter-as-a-rac
This poor guy killed himself over it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi
And now we’ve added assassination into the mix.
Do you really think this is going to end without any innocent blood spilled?
Edit: It’s also not hard to convince a bunch of people some random person is an evil CEO just by doxxing them. Like I said, people don’t bother checking.
lol. These people are recognizable. You need to go to a lot of effort to locate and plan that. It’s highly unlikely anyone would “mistake” them for someone else. That’s like someone saying “I thought I was aiming at Elon Musk, at his house, but it turns out he has a doppelgänger who lives next door!”
Really unlikely. Did you used to be a fed?
Please show me the odds. I assume you’ve calculated them. Because I gave you a ton of examples of the wrong person being identified, including people who the vigilante thinks were a totally different person but they looked like the person they wanted to attack.
And I would like to know, like I asked someone else, where your line is. Is it okay if someone bombs a CEO in the middle of a city and a bunch of people around them die? If the CEO is with their family including an infant when they are attacked, is it okay if the infant is killed too?
No, we have a pretty good example of how to do it. Patience, low powder shells, home made silencer. Just don’t buy Starbucks or take a cab without changing clothes somewhere haha. Perhaps a prosthetic nose or a mustache.
You’re going to the worst case, when that’s pretty unlikely. Who has a bomb?! lol. It’s guns. Single target. Simple.
Again, you sound like a fed.
Insulting me doesn’t tell me where the line is.
The line is check your target, get them alone, and just them. That’s a fuck ton more than they do when they indiscriminately kill thousands of people by denying valid claims. They’re getting off easy.
So, you ever had a job in law enforcement of any kind?
Why do you assume everyone wanting to do this vigilante thing will do that?
I’ve played this game before. If I say no, you’ll just claim I’m lying about it.
And it’s really silly to assume someone works or ever worked in law enforcement because they have seen a lot of vigilantes attack or kill the wrong person. Believe it or not, I just think that’s why vigilantism is a bad thing. You make a lot of silly assumptions.
But sure, I was totally in law enforcement.
Obviously this is an invented persona covering up my undercover police activites. Me and James Acaster. Curses, you found me out! I’m going to have to go back to the station and get a new mustache now.
Innocent people are already getting murdered. At least one murderer has now been held accountable that otherwise wouldn’t have. That’s a net positive to me so far.
Sorry, that makes killing more innocent people acceptable?
So were you ever or are you now in law enforcement, yes or no?
Do you think if you ask me enough times, I’ll give you a different answer than
“I don’t know how you figured out that I am very much definitely a cop for sure, but you’ve ruined 38 years of hard police work!”
Because good luck with that.
I’m just loving how crazy this is making you.
Weird how I’m the crazy one but you’re the one stalking me across Lemmy because you’re convinced I’m secretly a cop.
When innocent people start dying because of this maybe I’ll give a shit. But the only people who have died from this is one horrible fucking monster. If you expect people to pretend to be sad about that then you’re a fool.
This guy thinks that if CEOs get killed, lots of innocent people will die. Yet we have a pretty good example of that not happening. My guess is that they still think “protesting” and “demanding” change actually creates it.
No I don’t. You don’t speak for me.
You’re the guy who sees The Trolly Problem and chooses to do nothing.
Yeah. Where I come from he have a word for people like him. It starts with an “I” and ends with a “diot.”
They’re a mod, so that should highlight their desire for obedience above everything.
Stop lying about me.
(Anyway, I thought you people decided I was a cop.)
You are a mod. That’s no lie. And look at your own comments…. You fight for doing nothing, and relying on other people to fight for you. Hate to tell ya bro, it ain’t working out.
(And if you are a cop, you’re a bad one)
I have shown two people now a couple of dozen links of vigilantism getting an innocent person beaten or killed. The idea that copycats here would somehow be an exception and this is the one time “internet sleuths” always get it right is silly.